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Was Paul Gascoigne Racial Abusive, Or Just Stating The Fact That He Could Not See The Bouncer?
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Has regards the penalty, this reader's view about says it all.
/// invade an airport and disrupt hundreds of planes and thousands of people causing hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of delays, get £95 bill. make a stupid comment and get done for over 2.5k, something is not right here. Ok Gascoigne should not have said it, but was the guy really so upset? Of course not,; however if I needed a body guard, I would want one that didn't crumble over a tasteless joke that's for sure!///
Has regards the penalty, this reader's view about says it all.
/// invade an airport and disrupt hundreds of planes and thousands of people causing hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of delays, get £95 bill. make a stupid comment and get done for over 2.5k, something is not right here. Ok Gascoigne should not have said it, but was the guy really so upset? Of course not,; however if I needed a body guard, I would want one that didn't crumble over a tasteless joke that's for sure!///
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"But we don't have access to the sum total of the evidence.His counsel would have given advice initially and he denied the charge. Something must have changed significantly for him to change his mind."
It's almost certainly nothing to do with evidence, ag.Countless numbers of defendants change their plea at the door of the courtroom on trial day in Magistrates' courts. They give it a "run for their money". They will have been advised that, should key witnesses fail to turn up, there is a very good chance that the prosecution will offer no evidence and away they will go.
Defendants get a third off their sentence for an early guilty plea. If they plead guilty on trial day that discount is reduced to 5%-10%. In Mr Gascoigne's case he was fined £1,000 so the "run for his money" probably cost him less than £500. He would also have paid an increased contribution to prosecution costs. It's not said how much this would have cost him. A guilty plea attracts £85 costs; preparing the matter for trial will probably cause the prosecutor to ask for around £500. For a person such as Mr Gascoigne who, for some unfathomable reason, gets paid about a Grand a pop to give a speech, the gamble of a few hundred quid against the chance of an acquittal is good value. When he turned up for his trial this morning his Brief would have told him that all the witnesses were there and ready to go, so the best thing he can do is to stick his hand up.
It's almost certainly nothing to do with evidence, ag.Countless numbers of defendants change their plea at the door of the courtroom on trial day in Magistrates' courts. They give it a "run for their money". They will have been advised that, should key witnesses fail to turn up, there is a very good chance that the prosecution will offer no evidence and away they will go.
Defendants get a third off their sentence for an early guilty plea. If they plead guilty on trial day that discount is reduced to 5%-10%. In Mr Gascoigne's case he was fined £1,000 so the "run for his money" probably cost him less than £500. He would also have paid an increased contribution to prosecution costs. It's not said how much this would have cost him. A guilty plea attracts £85 costs; preparing the matter for trial will probably cause the prosecutor to ask for around £500. For a person such as Mr Gascoigne who, for some unfathomable reason, gets paid about a Grand a pop to give a speech, the gamble of a few hundred quid against the chance of an acquittal is good value. When he turned up for his trial this morning his Brief would have told him that all the witnesses were there and ready to go, so the best thing he can do is to stick his hand up.
I think it's mainly a case of the law supporting oversensitivity, and poor taste humour getting kicked. Most humour has a butt of the joke.
Pleading guilty doesn't mean you consider yourself as having done wrong. Merely that you either fell that you can't win against the authorities, or can't put up with the stress of fighting and wish to put it all behind you.
Pleading guilty doesn't mean you consider yourself as having done wrong. Merely that you either fell that you can't win against the authorities, or can't put up with the stress of fighting and wish to put it all behind you.
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/// There's a third (more likely) possibility - he thought he was being funny, ///
And for that he was fined £2,500?
Amazing. //
Thinking you are funny is not an offence, racially abusing someone is an offence.
It is perfectly clear that Mr Gascoigne was not fined for 'thinking he was being funny' - but for the criminal offence of racial abuse.
Even you cannot expect one notion to stretch to the other.
/// There's a third (more likely) possibility - he thought he was being funny, ///
And for that he was fined £2,500?
Amazing. //
Thinking you are funny is not an offence, racially abusing someone is an offence.
It is perfectly clear that Mr Gascoigne was not fined for 'thinking he was being funny' - but for the criminal offence of racial abuse.
Even you cannot expect one notion to stretch to the other.
AOG - ///// The judge told him: "You sought to get a laugh from an audience of over 1,000 people because of the colour of Mr Rowe's skin." ///
I wonder how many 'comedians' have sought to get a laugh from an audience or have even been taken to court by picking on Ginger headed people or even Fat People? //
Ginger people and fat people are not designated ethnic groups defined and protected under the law.
Where do you think you are going to go with this?
You can raise your eyebrows and tut as much as you want - Mr Gascoigne broke the law, he was charged, tried, convicted and fined.
Time to move on.
I wonder how many 'comedians' have sought to get a laugh from an audience or have even been taken to court by picking on Ginger headed people or even Fat People? //
Ginger people and fat people are not designated ethnic groups defined and protected under the law.
Where do you think you are going to go with this?
You can raise your eyebrows and tut as much as you want - Mr Gascoigne broke the law, he was charged, tried, convicted and fined.
Time to move on.
hc4361
/// The bouncer was a bit of a cry baby - yeah even worse than Gazza ///
// Have you got a link to that, PP? //
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This from the Guardian
*** In a statement to the court, Rowe said Gascoigne had been a “legend” to him and highlighted the 1990 World Cup when a Gascoigne-inspired England reached the semi-final. He said he had cried about the remark and had been unable to work after it was made. ***
He also said that he had suffered flashbacks.
Perhaps he should now consider getting a different job, since being a big strong bodyguard doesn't suit him, obviously he is all too sensitive.
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/// The bouncer was a bit of a cry baby - yeah even worse than Gazza ///
// Have you got a link to that, PP? //
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This from the Guardian
*** In a statement to the court, Rowe said Gascoigne had been a “legend” to him and highlighted the 1990 World Cup when a Gascoigne-inspired England reached the semi-final. He said he had cried about the remark and had been unable to work after it was made. ***
He also said that he had suffered flashbacks.
Perhaps he should now consider getting a different job, since being a big strong bodyguard doesn't suit him, obviously he is all too sensitive.
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