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Oh Dear. The Sentiments Are Not Returned.
Despite our left wingers being firmly in the "Clinton" camp, it appears that the Clintons are not fans of our lefties at all. Bill called Jeremy mad... Haha. Is this the first time he's told the truth in years?
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"Despite our left wingers being firmly in the "Clinton" camp..."
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was never "firmly in the Clinton camp", exactly. Just firmly in the "not Trump please God" camp, and Clinton is, was, and will be the only viable alternative this election cycle. I'm sure she'll be a capable president but can't say I expect much of note from the next four years. Indeed, with both Houses likely to be Republican, a Clinton presidency may well set a record for the amount of stuff not done, because Congress will just block anything and everything she comes up with.
But no, I wasn't "for" Clinton. She isn't a candidate of the left. But she's still the preferred candidate out of the two main options, by orders of magnitude.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was never "firmly in the Clinton camp", exactly. Just firmly in the "not Trump please God" camp, and Clinton is, was, and will be the only viable alternative this election cycle. I'm sure she'll be a capable president but can't say I expect much of note from the next four years. Indeed, with both Houses likely to be Republican, a Clinton presidency may well set a record for the amount of stuff not done, because Congress will just block anything and everything she comes up with.
But no, I wasn't "for" Clinton. She isn't a candidate of the left. But she's still the preferred candidate out of the two main options, by orders of magnitude.
As the link material states, 'mad' in the USA most probably means 'angry' rather than 'insane'. At this very moment, Americans are choosing a new president from two candidates, one of whom clearly is at Hatter-level in the sanity stakes! A truly 'mad' leader is, thus, far more probable across the Pond than here.
Jeremy Corbyn is far from being somebody just "off the streets", having been an MP for over thirty years.
Jeremy Corbyn is far from being somebody just "off the streets", having been an MP for over thirty years.
//Jeremy Corbyn is far from being somebody just "off the streets", having been an MP for over thirty years.//
but unlike most party leaders during all of that time, he's risen to the position of leader having only ever been a back-bencher; he's never held any ministerial or committee position, whether government or shadow, and has never had any experience of the cabinet room, whether government or shadow. in that respect if Mr Clinton is using an allusion (as I suspect), then Mr Corbyn is effectively "just off the streets".
but unlike most party leaders during all of that time, he's risen to the position of leader having only ever been a back-bencher; he's never held any ministerial or committee position, whether government or shadow, and has never had any experience of the cabinet room, whether government or shadow. in that respect if Mr Clinton is using an allusion (as I suspect), then Mr Corbyn is effectively "just off the streets".
Do you seriously believe, Mushroom, that back-benchers don't manage to pick up a vast amount of knowledge about "How Things Work" in Parliament, without ever being in office, especially after over three decades?
A still-unqualified joinery apprentice may know just as well as a journeyman how to make and hang a door.
A still-unqualified joinery apprentice may know just as well as a journeyman how to make and hang a door.
I am not sure of the point you are trying to make Togo.
As has been pointed out, Mr Clinton did not refer to Mr Corbyn as 'mad' in the sense that, for instance, Donald Trump is mad, but in the sense that he is angry.
Your own link contradicts what you are saying - and as far as our left wingers being 'firmly in the Clinton camp' - I echo jim360's sentiments.
Personally, if I were an American citizen, I would vote for a dead and buried tortoise before I'd vote for Trump.
As has been pointed out, Mr Clinton did not refer to Mr Corbyn as 'mad' in the sense that, for instance, Donald Trump is mad, but in the sense that he is angry.
Your own link contradicts what you are saying - and as far as our left wingers being 'firmly in the Clinton camp' - I echo jim360's sentiments.
Personally, if I were an American citizen, I would vote for a dead and buried tortoise before I'd vote for Trump.
"The British Labour party disposed of...David Miliband, because they were MAD AT him for being part of Tony Blair’s government."
That's taken directly from your link material, Togo, apart from my use of block capitals and the ... ellipsis.
Now, 'mad at' never, ever means anything but 'angry' both here and in the USA and here it is used to refer to the Labour Party as a whole. Nowhere in that material does it say anything at all about either of the Milibands being mad, in ANY sense of the word.
The material, in other words, is worthless.
That's taken directly from your link material, Togo, apart from my use of block capitals and the ... ellipsis.
Now, 'mad at' never, ever means anything but 'angry' both here and in the USA and here it is used to refer to the Labour Party as a whole. Nowhere in that material does it say anything at all about either of the Milibands being mad, in ANY sense of the word.
The material, in other words, is worthless.
Compared to UK politics the USofA is right wing and far right wing. Of course they will not be keen on a social party, they are all for sticking up for yourself and devil take the hindmost. In the other direction of course the UK left wing would tend to support the democrats; they are the lesser of two "evils" from their point of view.
//Do you seriously believe, Mushroom,//
I don't believe I said anything about what I believed about Mr Corbyn's parliamentary experience - rather I was providing, in an outsider's view of a leader who has never led, or held a high office, a reason for Bill Clinton to suppose why Mr Corbyn may appear to be inexperienced.
I don't believe I said anything about what I believed about Mr Corbyn's parliamentary experience - rather I was providing, in an outsider's view of a leader who has never led, or held a high office, a reason for Bill Clinton to suppose why Mr Corbyn may appear to be inexperienced.
Mushroom, you use three negative words/phrases..."only ever...never...never"...to describe what you believe sums up Mr Corbyn's political experience, so I'm at a loss to understand how you could subsequently write, "I don't believe I said anything about what I believed about Mr Corbyn's parliamentary experience."
But what the hey!
Togo, I obviously have no idea how many, if any, Corbynistas are among the people who have responded to you here, but I see not even the faintest whiff of any of them being even remotely "rattled".
But what the hey!
Togo, I obviously have no idea how many, if any, Corbynistas are among the people who have responded to you here, but I see not even the faintest whiff of any of them being even remotely "rattled".
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