Funding The Police

[cassa333]

I'm all for appropriate funding and making sure our police are properly and adequately trained but do they need a degree at present to join?

If all new recruits have to have a degree(either transferable or a policing one) what happens to all the police on the beat now woithout one?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38319283

[mikey4444]

We are always slightly ahead of the time down here !

[bhg481]

Behind in everything else?

[dannyk13]

Must be on Corbyntime, out of touch with the universe.

[mikey4444]

Well, we still don't like the Tories, if that is what you mean ! They are as popular here as a Rat Sandwich, as a former PC Leader once said !

We still have lots of real coal fires, although not at Mikey Towers I'm afraid.

( apologies to Cassa for going off topic here ! )

[bhg481]

I've never tried rat but there's a stall on Salisbury market which sell squirrel which, after all, is only a cute rat with a fluffy tail.

[Peter Pedant]

flash read it

isnt this a reflection of the Project 2000 ( aka reject 2000 ) for nurses
Less on the job training and more college based training

yes I agree this is fashion - but is more education better than no education ? I would say yes obviously - others would not

when I was doing royal college stuff ( NHS ) they were anathema to the government. Hospital visiting was stopped by the Royal Colleges for example hem hem and there are still calls tobring it back as it took only 12 y for hospitals to truly truly go down the drain .... ( light touch regulation took its place haha )

now they are looked on as useful standard setters

and yeah there will be grandfathering rules of course

[ oh that reminds me: the grandfathering rules for the medical act 1858 was that anyone in practice with or without a degree on Mar 1st 1815 was allowed to continue practice ]

[Peter Pedant]

ops most of that last comment was on

the role of royal colleges in modern society

[yeah yeah I know the college of policiing wants to be royal but isnt]

[Peter Pedant]

// squirrel which, after all, is only a cute rat with a fluffy tail.//

rats are vegetarian and dont chew on dead bodies ....
sozza squirrels are .....

rats went for 17/6 each old money during the siege of paris in 1870

Look I dont want to whine ( much) but this thread started off as paying for the police ( by precept by the way and NOT a college )

and has veered from rat sandwiches to the details of the Medical Sct 1858


can we keep on thread please ? a pedant pleads .....

[EDDIE51]

I think a policeman who has been working several years in a demanding job as well as studying to degree level will be highly 'employable' in almost any other job. So for someone who leaves school with just 3 'O' levels, the chance to earn decent money and get a degree while working and earning will be a big incentive to join the force. I think they will have to set a minimum time to stay in the job.

[ToraToraTora]

rediculous, W/TF do they need a degree for? Gawd help us, further liberalisation of the old Bill.

[youngmafbog]

Perhaps the idea is to engage a terrorist in deep conversation on astro physics and wave them on their way rather than shoot the b***ds?

[Togo]

Degree level on the job training? I thought they were all taught to NVQ level after a short time. Not Very Quick.

[ToraToraTora]

don't knock it YMB, perhaps the plods will be trained in social studies so they can give counseling to thieving scum rather than arresting them! After all the courts hardly ever bang up a low life these days, perhaps this is a new way eh?

[EDDIE51]

We want 'plod' to be higher up the IQ scale than the average villain!

[dannyk13]

Eddie, IQ has nothing to do with attaining a degree.

[EDDIE51]

You need the brain power to at least learn new information, that is the main reason for any degree. Very few degrees actually relate to the job the graduate does! The 'Police' degree looks a lot more appropriate to police work than most degrees.
It is more like a 'day release' degree which is how I got my Chemistry degree. I did 9 years of working 4 days a week with 1 day and 1 evening at college/university. At the end I had a degree AND 9 years relevant expierience, the Police system will be similar.

[vulcan42]

There are certain jobs that do not need formal high level qualifications, policing being one of them. They do however need a certain level of intelligence and common sense, Having read the handbook on how to pass the police tests in 2016, a raising of standards is certainly overdue, the questions seem to be aimed at 12 year olds; but a degree isn't necessary, even a future RAF pilot doesn't need one.

[ToraToraTora]

knowledge and education are not related to intelligence eddie. There are intelligent people who cannot read. That's why there is a mensa test for the illiterate. Often Intelligent people are qualified and knowledgeable but it does not always follow.

[youngmafbog]

Well I dont have a degree, so I guess I am thick?

I think vulcan has it right, raise the bar a bit but not a degree, not for a plod.

Otherwise we will end up with a Police Force that cannot force anything. Sometimes brawn is required rather than brain (unless you are a right-on liberal of course)

[bhg481]

Not having a degree doesn't prove you are thick or incompetent ymb, but having a degree proves that you are capable of understanding a particular subject; you may well be competent but can't prove it without further tests.