Have You Ever Checked And Wondered!

[TWR]

The clothing, Trainers that you see in some shops, where they are made, Vietnam, Indian, Pakistan, the price they charge for them & the money paid to the people that made them?

[naomi24]

From ummmm, //it could be the case of eating or not eating..//

From OG, //It is no reason for allowing it to continue and never improve their lot.//

Feeding a family is not a reason? Really? In our plentiful society we tend to forget that the cost of living in Third World countries is very low, so whereas to us the wages are a pittance, to them they’re a living and by working they are improving their lot. There is no benefits system to prop those people up. They really do need to work to live. For reasons that should be obvious the suggestion that people living in such societies be paid wages mirroring those of the west is ludicrous – and to boycott the result of their labour is thoughtless in the extreme.

[-Talbot-]

I doubt it is that easy. Sending things back to China often costs more than the actual item.

[TWR]

In some cases "T" you return via the agent.

[-Talbot-]

TW, it is not going to be easy sending goods back to China. Ebay and Paypal make sure of that otherwise it would cost them a lot of profit.

[mikey4444]

TWR....that is a very interesting argument is it not ?

Pay people peanuts in a sweatshop, because without the job, the wouldn't even get any peanuts at all !

[EDDIE51]

Talbot it is true that the postage back to China or other places outside the UK is often more than the cost of the item, but as I said if you have bought it from eBay and paid with PayPal there is a 100% guarantee that you will be refunded the total cost of buying the item and the return postage.
What actually happens most of the time is that the seller lets you keep the item but gives 100% refund of the purchase price and postage. I have bought 2 items this year that have been faulty, in both cases the seller refunded me but did not want the item back.
eBay rules are that the seller can insist that the item is returned before a refund but there is an option to give an instant refund without getting the item back. That is what nearly all sellers do for cheap items where the return postage is more than the cost of the item.

[naomi24]

^You got it in one .... except to those people the wages aren't 'peanuts'.

[naomi24]

^That was to Mikey.

[TWR]

"T" have done it my m8

[Islay]

First item that I look for when it comes from china says the following

Returns:

30 days refund, buyer pays return postage | See details

[Islay]

And here is another one, if you look it states the buyer is responsible for return postage costs!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Women-Bridesmaid-Ball-Prom-Gown-Formal-Party-Evening-Cocktail-Wedding-Long-Dress-/381577286686?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275#rpdCntId

[TWR]

Ended up with, I Took mine to SCC Islay, full refund sent.

[-Talbot-]

EDDIE, you are limited to how many times you can do that.


Misuse of returns or the eBay Money Back Guarantee

If we determine that you've abused returns on eBay or the eBay Money Back Guarantee, you may be subject to a range of actions, including limits on buying and selling privileges and account suspension. Examples include:
Selecting an inaccurate reason for return.
Disregarding item conditions required for return.
Requesting an excessive amount of returns.

[Old_Geezer]

That is a deliberate misstating of the situation. Feeding a family is the exploited workers reason to keep on being exploited. Barely surviving while they toil to exhaustion and have no real life knowing that the next generation will do the same but not knowing how to break out.

Authorities/ governments/others with power do NOT have any justification to allow it. They have a responsibility to the citizens. The government should have a welfare system, either funded by the citizens or paid for by the international charity many here object to paying.

What is thoughtless in the extreme is supporting exploitation, making excuses for it, doing one's best to ensure it continues.

[mikey4444]

Well said OG !

[EDDIE51]

Islay and Talbot , you are both correct the buyer is responsible for return postage if they have just changed their mind or bought the wrong size and there is nothing wrong with the item
I am talking about where the item is faulty or 'not as described' in that case the seller has to pay the return postage or refund the cost .

[naomi24]

OG/Mikey, nonsense. I have not deliberately misstated the situation. I have given an example here before of what a small amount of money means to people in the Third World. A pair of my own socks, worn, but washed as best I could with toilet soap, once bought meat for one African family. That’s what a little money does. Whatever those corrupt and useless governments ought to do, they don’t. Take away the work, and people suffer. That’s a fact of life. I can only assume that neither of you have ever visited Third World countries and seen it for yourselves. If you had, you would know what you’re talking about, but as it is you don’t. Good intentions are admirable, but in this instance, unrealistic and potentially disastrous.