Conflicts Advice

[cassa333]

Every time I ask a question about the harassment accusation against my OH I get a different answer.

The fact is the accusation is a complete lie.

But what should we do?

The accusation has not been made to the police as yet (wouldn't put it past her as she is known for taking a lie and running with it) but she made it in an email to me that she got her local housing officer to forward onto me.

We have been advised to ignore it by one and to make the first move and go to the police and talk to them by another.

Oh what to do???

[cassa333]

Oh dear. I wonder what was removed?

[woofgang]

DH and I have sort of been there in the past....not a tenant but same sort of thing...took legal advice (we had legal insurance at the time) and was told to ignore which we did. Legal beagle said that police would not be interested in allegations made to a third party and would only be slightly, if at all, interested in unsubstantiated allegations unless they were the kind that they HAD to take notice of, eg child abuse.
From what I know of your situation, my personal, not legal advice would be to try and think like a business and not a person and ignore the dross and focus on the admin. Different of course if this person has made threats against you and you can prove it.

[albaqwerty]

Cassa, maybe just spam that was removed.

Have you printed out the emails?

If tenant has made any threats against you or yours, then go to police.

[cassa333]

Spoke to the local PCs at a community clinic and they said to ignore it. And so did a solicitor who I rang as well.

So will do just that.

But it just galls me that they can say such lies and get away with out. I just want to shout at them WHY, WHY say such things.

[choux]

I think you must keep a detailed record of everything that is said or done, when and by whom. If matters escalate later you will be glad of a proper record you can refer to.

[RobNorth]

Life's too short for conflict - it always gives a poor return, even when you win.

[Peter Pedant]

woofie good answer

stop posting
get them out
get on with your life....

I think I am the one of the ignorers - we dont even know if the allegations has been made to OH, his employer, the police, Mrs Mop down the road, the girl with the red hair who mrs mopp used to use a cleaner

as I said before two or three times -the allegation was made to the Housing officer to get her to bounce her up the list as if you are evicting for arrears she will not get rehoused. Dont even say you have received it

yes this has happened to me and you basically ignore it

what do we remember to say ? - it is not harassment to ask for payment of rent arrears....
it is not harassment to ask......

// We have been advised to ignore it by one and not to make the first move and go to the police //
excellent stop there - good advice - take it !

[Peter Pedant]

// I just want to shout at them WHY, WHY say such things.//

because they know it will poss you off big time

seems to have worked

[woofgang]

not only that PP, its a form of bullying. I came across similar twice when I was a manager in the NHS. Two separate members of staff who would allege that they were being bullied and harassed at the drop of a hat and had got away with poor performance, poor attendance, unpleasantness to other staff and general low level nastiness for years. I wasn’t any tougher than any of their previous bosses but I had one advantage in that I was coming to the end of my career by choice and didn’t give a toss. People do stuff like this because it has worked in the past and they think it will work again.
Cassa if its any comfort, their reaction when you don’t react to their nastiness is more unpleasant for them than anything the law can inflict...Its like a child who gets its own way by screaming until it goes blue meeting someone who calmly lets them do it....all their power suddenly vanishes.

[cassa333]

Of course it's going to get to me. I am basically a law abiding citizen who pays my bills and lives a pretty low level normal life. I like to think of myself as a kind and helpful person who try's to do things for good reasons (not always successful but I try). And although you hear of this sort of thing all the time and see it on TV programmes like can't pay we'll take it away or the sheriffs are coming it's not quite the same thing until it happens to you.

I have a CCJ against her and the possession hearing in Aug with a further claim for unpaid rent included in that. We are resigned to not realistically seeing much, if anything of the money owed but are focusing on getting her out now. When she doesn't go I want to see if we can get an accelerated eviction of some sort. Otherwise she is going to be there months.

I'm going to have to look that up. Do I make the application at this first hearing or do I have to make a separate one when she doesn't leave. All new to me and whenever I try to find out I get different answers :-(

Even now I worry whether I am being fair!! Or if I could have done it so I could help her more. Would you believe me Peter if I said I was the tough one in our house? Well it's true. I am viewed as tough as old boot nails. That'll tell you how soft we are lol

[woofgang]

I mean this nicely but did you ever think that maybe you are not cut out for the rental market? Its sounds like its giving you more pain than gain.

[cassa333]

Yes Wolfgang I don't think I'm cut out for this.

We did have an agen when we first got it but they were a bit of a shower so we thought we would give it a go.

When this lot are put we are going to sell it. I can't cope with it and OH doesn't want to.

[cassa333]

I was right. She hasn't paid the first instalment of the CCJ.

A call to the court Monday morning to find out what I do now is in order I think.

[Peter Pedant]

ring the court by all means
but more - I wanna send in the bailiffs what form do I fill out ?

you could also consider selling it onto the Sherriffs office by filling out a form called fi.fa and paying £60

My tenant involved - her £600 debt ballooned to £2092 after two visits ( £750 knicker each )

oh send a copy of the CCJ to their bank manager if you know it - and say if they pay by cheque - do they have the means to cash it.

and a copy to the housing person who emailed you and say that they have made themeselves homeless in your opinion and so dont need to be rehoused.

Look on it as a learning experience cassa - you need never go thro this again by knocking on the door at first late rent + 1 and saying " where's me rent - you know the rule - no renty no roofie

Woofie
my experince of NHS mgrs is NOT good
Union rep and when someone was getting scrawed, I asked for the disciplinary code and was told o there are two and we dont know which one ( we will fire him under ) !
contarty to the employment act - one and one only and it should be available
so my rather angry and disbelieving protests were taken as - - -and accepted as - - - harassment.

forget union moiling and toiling - forget obeying employment law - forget a case shall not beget a case - redefine harassment as what they wanted - ( course of action and intent NOT needed ) - and away it went...... it ran and ran
( including hilarious scenes where I was warned there would be action and I asked for a written copy of the disciplinary code to the two warners and was told : you know where it is - you can get it yourself.)

[woofgang]

I believe you PP...the stories I could tell....but I won’t!