Should Eu Citizens Living In Scotland Qualify To Vote In Any Future Scottish Eu Independence Referendum, After Brexit?

[willbewhatiwill]

Having Scottish independence referendum at the same time as UK negotiating Brexit complicates & hinders negotiations with the EU. Surely once UK left EU, EU citizens living in Scotland should not qualify to vote in any Scottish Independence referendum, unlike in 2014.

1. Only Westminster Parliament (not devolved Parliaments) has the legislative competence whether to allow (with the approval of the monarch) an independent referendum to any home nation (like Scotland).
It is also for Westminster Parliament to decide on (i) the wording of the referendum question (ii) date & (iii) suffrage franchise of voters in the independence referendum.

2. The franchise of voters for any future independence referendum (should they ever occur again) should be only be for British Citizens currently living in Scotland and expats (i.e. British citizens born in Scotland, but not currently living in Scotland). Scottish residents that were able to vote in the last Scottish independence referendum in 2014 included current Scottish residents who were: British citizens, commonwealth students & workers, Irish citizen, EU citizens living Scotland at the time.

3. A 60% majority rule in a referendum should also apply to all referendum that involve the constitutional break-up of UK.
Examples of supermajority (or a qualified majority) voting in a democratic process are:
:: Article Five of the US Constitution for example states: “The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both Houses [the House and the Senate] shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution . . .US States can also propose changes, or amendments. Three-fourths of the states have to approve the amendment for it to become law" Goodbye.
:: According to the Danish Constitution, the Danish Parliament may delegate specific parts of the country's sovereignty to international authorities, provided that five-sixths of its members approve of the bill.
:: In South Korea, the approval of three-fifths of legislators is required before a bill can be put to a vote in the National Assembly.

[dannyk13]

EU students did not vote in the 2014 election.

[albaqwerty]

I think we are both back to head and brick wall Danny.

[willbewhatiwill]

albaqwerty stated, "IF you are on the electoral roll, then you can vote"

I never ever say they can. It is extremely obvious (& straight forward) that eligible voters can only vote after registered in the electoral lists of a constituency . I understand this even in Primary School.

[dannyk13]

I'm with you Alba. Enough is enough.

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13 stated, "EU students did not vote in the 2014 election".

You are very wrong indeed - as all EU citizens (including British, Irish, Commonwealth) on the electoral roll of Scottish constituencies can (& many do) in the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum.

[willbewhatiwill]

albaqwerty statef, "IF you are on the electoral roll, then you can vote"

When did I ever say eligible voters not registered on the electoral register of a UK constituency can vote in UK elections? It is obvious they cannot.

[willbewhatiwill]

NBalbaqwerty stated, "and the voting age was lowered to 16 years for Scottish people, not foreign students or asylum seekers"

You are incorrect. All eligible voters (over 16 years of age) on register on the electoral roll of a Scottish constituencies were allowed to vote in the 2014 Scottish Independent referendum.

NB
Non-commonwealth asylum seekers are not eligible voters - but could be on the electoral roll by falsely declaring they are commonwealth citizens. By definition an EU citizen cannot be asylum seekers in another EU current state (like UK).

[willbewhatiwill]

For those who are unsure/do not know about who are eligible voters for the 2014 Scottish Indy Referendum (obviously provided they apply in time to be on electoral register in a Scottish constituencies, of course) - http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/170396/2014-scottish-referendum-voting-guide-Large-Print.pdf states, "You can vote in the referendum if you are registered to vote in Scotland, are 16 or over on Thursday 18 September 2014 and are:
:: a British or Irish citizen living in Scotland, or 
:: a European Union citizen living in Scotland, or 
:: a qualifying Commonwealth citizen living in Scotland

You have to be registered to vote by Tuesday 2 September 2014 to vote in this referendum.
Qualifying Commonwealth citizens are people who have leave (permission) to enter or remain in the UK". [i.e. a commonwealth citizen not in Scotland, UK without permission]

[New Judge]

"When did I ever say Gibraltar will leave UK??"

Whether you did or you didn't is neither here nor there. Gibraltar cannot leave the United Kingdom for the simple reason that it is not part of it. It is a British Overseas Territory and is largely self-governing. The same applies to the Falkland Islands (which you also mentioned).

You need to get your ducks in a row if you are to discuss constitutional matters relating to the UK. The United Kingdom is that of Great Britain (England - which arguably includes Wales - and Scotland) together with Northern Ireland. Nothing else

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, there have been threads where folk have said Gibraltar has its own MP in our Parliament! It's clear there are some very confused folk out there...

[willbewhatiwill]

New judge,

Check out my reply to danny k13 on this thread @15:43 Sat 05th Aug 2017, whereby I have already stated (which I already know for years) as follows:

"When did I ever say Gibraltar will leave UK??

I know Gibraltar (like Falklands Islands) have recently voted to remain within UK's sovereignty to UK. In any case, Falkland Islands & Gibraltar cannot leave from being part of UK, as they are NOT part of UK even now because they are in fact British Overseas Territories".

[Peter Pedant]

you ask who will vote in a future referendum

and then as post no 71 - you tell us you know who voted in the last one .....

duuh - god yet another thread where the asker of the question knows the answer ,,,,,, please stop just wasting our time

[willbewhatiwill]

Peter Pedant stated, "you ask who will vote in a future referendum"

I asked whether Westminster Parliament (lead by PM of the day), should allow (as only they got the power to do so) different variables/parameters/aspects/regulations(relative to the 2014 Scottish Indy referendum) in terms of the following: (i) the wording of the referendum question (ii) date & (iii) suffrage franchise of voters in the independence referendum.

This question asked OPINIONS (which varies from individuals), not mere FACTS.

[THECORBYLOON]

EU citizens can vote in elections to any of the devolved Parliament/assemblies not only in Scotland and they can vote in local elections. I see no reason why they should have that right after we've left the EU.

[dannyk13]

They can only vote if they are registered on the Electoral Roll whuch means EU citizens will not be eligible to vote.

[willbewhatiwill]

dannyk13: "They can only vote if they are registered on the Electoral Roll whuch means EU citizens will not be eligible to vote".

British, Irish, EU citizens (above a certain age) can ask to be on the electoral roll in a constituency they are living (or studying) in.

[THECORBYLOON]

DANNY, EU citizens can already vote in devolved elections as long as they're registered voters so I'm not sure what you mean.

[dannyk13]

That is my point 'as long as they are registered' so when we leave the EU that EU rule will not apply.

[THECORBYLOON]

They could be on the register still when we leave the EU but I don't know if the Electoral Roll identifies them as being an EU citizen so they would be removed automatically when we leave or whether they could not vote legally.

[dannyk13]

Usually before any election a letter is sent to a householder checking who lives at that address so I would imagine that would exclude EU citizens.Not sure though so we will have to wait and see.