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Did anyone watch this last night and if so what were your thoughts on it?
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the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019. Wonder how we got by before we had cheap foreign labour to do the picking ?.
21:34 Fri 17th Nov 2017
I didn't Gina, but here's a write up.
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The BBC and Panorama did a similar program to this, long before the BREXIT votes happened, and the employers fund exactly the same problems...British workers unwilling and unable to do the work that our Gastarbeiters have flocked to Britain to do.
At the present showing, the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019.
At the present showing, the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019.
//the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019.//
Haha and the Pubs and Restaurants will close due to lack of waiters and waitresses, there will be no Plumbers or Bricklayers, all the car washes will disappear, all the Polish skleps will become empty, and the NHS will collapse due to the nurses all going to Africa. Mind you when they all flee for their lives we will solve the so called housing crisis, which is no such thing........It is a population crisis.
Haha and the Pubs and Restaurants will close due to lack of waiters and waitresses, there will be no Plumbers or Bricklayers, all the car washes will disappear, all the Polish skleps will become empty, and the NHS will collapse due to the nurses all going to Africa. Mind you when they all flee for their lives we will solve the so called housing crisis, which is no such thing........It is a population crisis.
"At the present showing, the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019."
I bet you they don't, Mikey.
Time after time we hear of scaremongering stories, none of which has shown the slightest sign of coming true. The latest was the supposed "exodus" of NHS staff following Brexit which, by the figures provided by the NHS was a load of baloney. After 2019 (or whenever we finally leave properly) there will be no shortage of labour. What there will be a shortage of is various assorted chancers coming to the UK with visions of an easier and more comfortable life than they had back home. Those that sell "The Big Issue" as self-employed sales people and have their income more than doubled by the taxpayer and those who end up kipping ten to a room in some grotty council flat somewhere and who get fifty quid a day cash in hand to wash cars to name a couple. Businesses will do what they have always done - find a way to run their businesses (including sourcing their labour) despite the best efforts of politicians to make life difficult for them.
I bet you they don't, Mikey.
Time after time we hear of scaremongering stories, none of which has shown the slightest sign of coming true. The latest was the supposed "exodus" of NHS staff following Brexit which, by the figures provided by the NHS was a load of baloney. After 2019 (or whenever we finally leave properly) there will be no shortage of labour. What there will be a shortage of is various assorted chancers coming to the UK with visions of an easier and more comfortable life than they had back home. Those that sell "The Big Issue" as self-employed sales people and have their income more than doubled by the taxpayer and those who end up kipping ten to a room in some grotty council flat somewhere and who get fifty quid a day cash in hand to wash cars to name a couple. Businesses will do what they have always done - find a way to run their businesses (including sourcing their labour) despite the best efforts of politicians to make life difficult for them.
I saw the previews but not the programme. Or maybe it was on and I was distracted; the TV is on just for background company a lot of the time.
Seems to me that any company either has a valid business or it doesn't. If it is valid then it will be offering conditions and salary that are appropriate for the the wage/price situation in the country they operate in (i.e. the UK), and should have no issue attracting local employees, and no need to short out the national labour market for their own ends.
But if their company only exists by exploiting the fact that workers from lower wage/price countries will be willing to work for less, or in less pleasant conditions than would otherwise need to be offered, then it isn't valid business case for the UK in the first place.
There are options.
They could take their business to the lower wage/price country and set up there. There is a case to be made that a country should stick to what it is most efficient at doing: and unless the industry is something that it is vital the country is self-sufficient in, and thus a special case, it's a darned good yardstick.
Or they could decide to move into something else. Use the resources they have to produce something with added value which will sell well at a higher price without the need for either cheap or uncomplaining labour.
Or they could appeal to the government claiming that they are a necessary industry and should be subsidised.
Or make the case to government that temporary workers for exploitation should be allowed in for a period each year, because they are vital and the industry wouldn't run fly under UK wage/prices, and as such temporary visas should be issued.
But if they want British workers to pick up the slack then they need to pitch their employment offer so that the market works properly and sufficient are attracted.
Seems to me that any company either has a valid business or it doesn't. If it is valid then it will be offering conditions and salary that are appropriate for the the wage/price situation in the country they operate in (i.e. the UK), and should have no issue attracting local employees, and no need to short out the national labour market for their own ends.
But if their company only exists by exploiting the fact that workers from lower wage/price countries will be willing to work for less, or in less pleasant conditions than would otherwise need to be offered, then it isn't valid business case for the UK in the first place.
There are options.
They could take their business to the lower wage/price country and set up there. There is a case to be made that a country should stick to what it is most efficient at doing: and unless the industry is something that it is vital the country is self-sufficient in, and thus a special case, it's a darned good yardstick.
Or they could decide to move into something else. Use the resources they have to produce something with added value which will sell well at a higher price without the need for either cheap or uncomplaining labour.
Or they could appeal to the government claiming that they are a necessary industry and should be subsidised.
Or make the case to government that temporary workers for exploitation should be allowed in for a period each year, because they are vital and the industry wouldn't run fly under UK wage/prices, and as such temporary visas should be issued.
But if they want British workers to pick up the slack then they need to pitch their employment offer so that the market works properly and sufficient are attracted.
Another alternative would be not to expect the public to fall for a load of nonsense.
At the end of September this year some 2.378m people from other EU nations were working in the UK. This is 112,000 more than at the end of September 2016. So the "exodus" of EU workers (caused by them feeling "unwanted and unwelcome" since the Brexit vote) is nothing of the sort. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics.
At the end of September this year some 2.378m people from other EU nations were working in the UK. This is 112,000 more than at the end of September 2016. So the "exodus" of EU workers (caused by them feeling "unwanted and unwelcome" since the Brexit vote) is nothing of the sort. Figures are from the Office of National Statistics.
NJ....."I bet you they don't, Mikey."
Yes, you are quite right....the crops probably won't rot in the fields, and the primary reason for that is the majority of our Gastarbeiters will still be here after 2019.
Because the Government of the time will realise that Britain can't manage without these people, as the NHS and the hospitality industry can't manage without foreign workers. There are hordes of lazy, British dole bludgers, and even if they wanted to take these jobs, there just isn't enough time left to train them up for the work involved.
Listen to what the employers are saying....most of them can't get Brits to tae the jbs in the first place....that is why the Gastarbeiters are here.
Yes, you are quite right....the crops probably won't rot in the fields, and the primary reason for that is the majority of our Gastarbeiters will still be here after 2019.
Because the Government of the time will realise that Britain can't manage without these people, as the NHS and the hospitality industry can't manage without foreign workers. There are hordes of lazy, British dole bludgers, and even if they wanted to take these jobs, there just isn't enough time left to train them up for the work involved.
Listen to what the employers are saying....most of them can't get Brits to tae the jbs in the first place....that is why the Gastarbeiters are here.
Jack....My brother has been in and out, but mostly in Hospital, for nearly 5 years, and continuously since 1st Feb this year. With very few exceptions, all the ancillary Staff, ie the ones in green or purple uniforms have been non-British. A good sprinkling of Nurses and Doctors are also non-British. If all these people are not going to be welcome in Britain after that fateful day in 2019, who will do their jobs ?
I have never picked a potato in my life, nor any other kind of veg, but farming friends of mine in Cornwall, cannot get British people to work on their land.
I have never picked a potato in my life, nor any other kind of veg, but farming friends of mine in Cornwall, cannot get British people to work on their land.
/At the present showing, the crops will rot in the fields without the foreigners to pick them after 2019.//
I assume that the crops are being harvested by foreigners at the moment. So these guys are living here at the moment. I assume further that the amount of land under cultivation is unlikely to increase much in the next two years. So unless the government at the time decides (and finds a way) to deport them all after 2019, or they all decide to up sticks and leave of their own accord there's not really a problem, is there?
The same goes for all the NHS workers, doesn't it, Mikey?
PS: "all these people are not going to be welcome in Britain" is an unpleasant slur invented by you. You really shouldn't keep repeating it.
I assume that the crops are being harvested by foreigners at the moment. So these guys are living here at the moment. I assume further that the amount of land under cultivation is unlikely to increase much in the next two years. So unless the government at the time decides (and finds a way) to deport them all after 2019, or they all decide to up sticks and leave of their own accord there's not really a problem, is there?
The same goes for all the NHS workers, doesn't it, Mikey?
PS: "all these people are not going to be welcome in Britain" is an unpleasant slur invented by you. You really shouldn't keep repeating it.
VE....the main reason why people voted to leave the EU, was because of the "problem" of foreign workers "taking our jobs"
We are only months away from BREXIT, and yet the Government still hasn't told us what will happen to non-British workers after we leave.
My best guess is that most will stay here, but not all, which is what last nights program was all about. Since the Ref. they have been left feeling that they are increasingly not wanted.....so, my original question still stands....who will take the place of those foreigners, if they decide to leave ?
We are only months away from BREXIT, and yet the Government still hasn't told us what will happen to non-British workers after we leave.
My best guess is that most will stay here, but not all, which is what last nights program was all about. Since the Ref. they have been left feeling that they are increasingly not wanted.....so, my original question still stands....who will take the place of those foreigners, if they decide to leave ?
//My best guess is that most will stay here, but not all... Since the Ref. they have been left feeling that they are increasingly not wanted.....so, my original question still stands....who will take the place of those foreigners, if they decide to leave ?".
I think your best guess is right, Mikey. As for this "they have been left feeling that they are increasingly not wanted" you can find a few incidents of thugs acting like thugs (was just such a programme on TV I saw recently) and choose to extrapolate that to "all Brexiteers" if you want, but this rather contradicts your usual moral stance on generalisations and stereotypes.
A month after the referendum we had two Polish guys replace our conservatory roof. What relevance did my vote or the result have to this transaction (not that the subject came up)? None whatsoever. Why would these guys want to leave in 2019.
I think your best guess is right, Mikey. As for this "they have been left feeling that they are increasingly not wanted" you can find a few incidents of thugs acting like thugs (was just such a programme on TV I saw recently) and choose to extrapolate that to "all Brexiteers" if you want, but this rather contradicts your usual moral stance on generalisations and stereotypes.
A month after the referendum we had two Polish guys replace our conservatory roof. What relevance did my vote or the result have to this transaction (not that the subject came up)? None whatsoever. Why would these guys want to leave in 2019.
The uncertainty could be ascribed to "the Remainer Fear Campaign", Mikey.
Personally I would have liked this (IMO) false fear to have been squashed at the outset by a clear statement that EU citizens who had entered the UK legally (plus VE exceptions for criminals and obvious ponces) would have their right of residence confirmed. The objection to this was that we needed at the same time to ensure a corresponding guarantee from the EU for the Britons living abroad. Nonetheless, I think there's a clear moral case - but also a pragmatic one - for having getting rid of this issue.
I have heard, by the way, that May did try to get a reciprocal agreement about foreign nationals, but was turned down. I cdon't know if anybody can verify this.
Personally I would have liked this (IMO) false fear to have been squashed at the outset by a clear statement that EU citizens who had entered the UK legally (plus VE exceptions for criminals and obvious ponces) would have their right of residence confirmed. The objection to this was that we needed at the same time to ensure a corresponding guarantee from the EU for the Britons living abroad. Nonetheless, I think there's a clear moral case - but also a pragmatic one - for having getting rid of this issue.
I have heard, by the way, that May did try to get a reciprocal agreement about foreign nationals, but was turned down. I cdon't know if anybody can verify this.
"VE....the main reason why people voted to leave the EU, was because of the "problem" of foreign workers "taking our jobs" "
Where did you get that notion from, Mikey? Nobody I know who voted to leave (and I know a lot) did so for that reason. Most of them, like me, voted to leave so that the UK government could determine who is and is not allowed to settle and work here. And what gave you the idea that, post Brexit (whether soft,medium or hard), that workers whom the UK wants to come here will not be allowed to do so? Workers have been coming to the UK since long before the EU and its predecessor, the EEC existed.
"We are only months away from BREXIT, and yet the Government still hasn't told us what will happen to non-British workers after we leave."
I can tell you what will happen to them, Mikey. Absolutely nothing, whatever deal is or is not agreed. There is no way the UK government will want (or indeed be able) to forcibly eject 2.3m people.
This continual, nonsensical scaremongering is extremely tiresome. It is unjustified, unfounded and utter drivel. Far too much emphasis is being placed on the importance of "trade" and "citizens' rights". Trade will come naturally, Citizens' Rights will be determined by the UK. It is the matter of sovereignty that is important so that the UK government and not unelected foreign civil servants can decide what is best for the UK. No "deal" is needed for that.
Where did you get that notion from, Mikey? Nobody I know who voted to leave (and I know a lot) did so for that reason. Most of them, like me, voted to leave so that the UK government could determine who is and is not allowed to settle and work here. And what gave you the idea that, post Brexit (whether soft,medium or hard), that workers whom the UK wants to come here will not be allowed to do so? Workers have been coming to the UK since long before the EU and its predecessor, the EEC existed.
"We are only months away from BREXIT, and yet the Government still hasn't told us what will happen to non-British workers after we leave."
I can tell you what will happen to them, Mikey. Absolutely nothing, whatever deal is or is not agreed. There is no way the UK government will want (or indeed be able) to forcibly eject 2.3m people.
This continual, nonsensical scaremongering is extremely tiresome. It is unjustified, unfounded and utter drivel. Far too much emphasis is being placed on the importance of "trade" and "citizens' rights". Trade will come naturally, Citizens' Rights will be determined by the UK. It is the matter of sovereignty that is important so that the UK government and not unelected foreign civil servants can decide what is best for the UK. No "deal" is needed for that.
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