Brexit: Michael Gove Says Uk Voters Can Change Final Deal

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42291191

Whatever is this pillock on about ? The next election could be in 2022,
3 years after we have left the EU !

[mikey4444]

Zacs....I have read the BBC link, many times.

Suppose you explain how an Election in 2022 can change a deal made by March 2019 ?

[Jackdaw33]

Ever heard of the word 'renegotiation'?

[ichkeria]

I haven't been able to read this in its entirety, but it doesn't start well: typical Brexit bosh about "taking back control".
It isn't clear how he thinks a generaal election would be the place to change this: presumably by that stage the government would be touting the deal it had struck, or at least the likely shape of a post-Brexit Britain, heaven only knows what if anything Labour would have to say about it in the midst of the Marxist rant, and presuimably the Lib Dems would still be saying "not tooo late to go back" - so is he saying you could vote Lib Dem? Or maybe for the new "My name is Arron Banks UKIP Party" ?
Hmmm

[mikey4444]

Jack...we will have left the EU by 2022.....do you really think that its at all possible that the EU will be willing to reopen negotiations on a deal that has already been signed and ratified ?

[ichkeria]

I think you can rule "renegotiation" out.
Why would the EU want to go through all that again?
Why indeed would anyone?
This is where Labour is massively failing the British people and a huge proportion of its newest supporters. At the moment their idea is something along those lines, but it is a non-starter. In all the talk of rejection of a deal by Parliament or indeed another referendum, I haven't heard many people be specific about what a No vote would entail. Hard line and even not so hard line Leavers would like that to mean "crash out with no deal". The other option would be stay in the EU but under new terms. What it would not mean is starting the whole process all over again.

[Togo]

In 2022 UKIP form a government based on a manifesto that promises to stiffen up the immigration and border "issues" and to gain full control of UK law and trading tariffs. Seemples, as I said earlier. :))

[mikey4444]

Togo....while that reply is full of mirth, how about making a serious attempt to answer the question ?

[Jackdaw33]

Mikey, learn your history. We joined the EEC in 1973. Two years later Wilson, for purely party political reasons, offered a referendum with the promise that he would 'renegotiate' the terms of entry. If we ca renegotiate the terms of entry, why can't we renegotiate the terms of exit?

[Gromit]

May seems to be holding on to office on a week by week basis. With no majority, a unreliable ‘coalition’ partner, and a split party, it is a brave man who expects this shambles to carry on for 5 years.
Gove expects an election before 2022.

[mikey4444]

Jack....because we will have no cards play....we will already have left. It very difficult, I would say impossible to change the rules of a Club once you have left it. The EU will simply say that Britain accepted the conditions of leaving, and signed all the documents.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....so do I. She has already peed-off the DUP, and she can't rely on them reluctantly to buckle under again.

[Kromovaracun]

//Mrs May has stated, quite firmly, that there will be no hard border in Ireland.//

Well given how often she seems to completely give up on every firm statement she has ever made as PM, that should make us even more worried!

I'd be feeling more reassured if Theresa May had categorically stated that there would be one, given her track record of doing the opposite of what she promises.

[dannyk13]

Kromo, The Irish government have accepted what she said.

[ichkeria]

I'd say Theresa May is in quite a strong position at the moment: a "soft Brexiter" by instinct, she plainly feels vindicated by the apparent success of the negotiations so far.
We should bear in mind that her position is governed entirely by the whim of her own party, and she is actually in a rather unique position of being shored up by the opposition: the fact that an election just now is unthinkable to most of her Brexit opponents (including the DUP) actually counts in her favour, that and the fact that she has no credible opposing figurehead in her own party.
Matthew Parris is the Times today has mischievously suggested that maybe her plan is actually to have no plan, but to let the "Brexit toddlers" (evoking the toddlers in Eliot's Middlemarch, who set out with unrealistic amibitions to conquer the world) retreat in the face of reality all in good time. If that WERE her idea to date (which I doubt) it has worked a treat so far :-)

[anotheoldgit]

Why can't you use his name instead of calling him a pillock, or is this the usual practice for the 'nasty left'?

[albaqwerty]

Has Northern Ireland got a government yet or they still in limbo?
If they have formed their own coalition, then I must have missed it during all this Brexit nonsense.

[Old_Geezer]

Changing one load of incompetents for another is hardly changing anything of note.

[ichkeria]

No new government for N Ireland yet. Plainly it will happen as they’ve decided it’s worth abandoning the deadlines to keep trying

[dannyk13]

Alba, I should have said it was the Taowhatsit but it was easier to spell government.