Pcz - Single Yellow Line Ticket But No Signage

[OVALLAD]

I Received a ticket in harringay on Friday at 20:28Pm I turned on to a one way road with no signs at the top of the road for the first 150FT and there was noting to say i was in a controlled PCZ, I came out to have a ticket on my car ...

My questions are simple
1. is there a law on how visible the sign has to be or distance to where I parked my car ?
2 Should I just Pay it ?

Thanks Joe

[jno]

I'm pretty sure everything has to be posted clearly and you'd be within your rights to contest it (take photos if you can), but someone more knowledgeable will probably give you a more detailed answer later.

[waterboatman]

JNO is correct as I understand it. I would challenge it soonest. I've had similar and had it cancelled.

[bhg481]

Can you give us the exact road in Harringey and the direction you were travelling? That way we can look at it on Google Streetview and comment on how visible (or not) the signs were. You gave us the time of day, so it was dark and that might affect the visibility of the sign.

[OVALLAD]

Yes sure it was Cranbrook Park and its in wood green and is a one way street and I parked right at the top on a single yellow line there are no notices have a look on google maps please help me

[murraymints]

what was the ticket for exactly ? going wrong way or parking ?

[emeritus]

Had a quick look. Its residents permit holders only Mon to Sat 6.30 until 10pm and its signed ?

[emeritus]

If i have the right street that is. Dont know if this link will work

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5984873,-0.1104422,3a,75y,57.46h,82.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKQ86KqzKquZVEkSAGTcZpQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DKQ86KqzKquZVEkSAGTcZpQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D256.02753%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

[OVALLAD]

I parked on the single Yellow line across form the Lord Nelson and there is no signs to say this near the pub, Please double check Because I can assure you there are NONE outside the pub thanks Joe

[murraymints]

well there clearly IS a sign on google camera

[Cloverjo]

I didn't think there had to be a sign for single yellows. The line itself is a sign that you can't park there, I would have thought.

[bhg481]

I have found a Cranbrook Park N22 with "The Lord Nelson" pub at the western end. Is that the right one? Just to the north of the junction there are signs "Wood Green Outer Controlled Zone" but Cranbrook Park is outside this. "Driving" eastwards along Cranbrook Park I can see lots of signs, some on lamp-posts, some on single posts, which say parking is for residents only 6:30am to 10:00pm OR pay at meter BUT only up to 6:30pm and max 2 hours. Thetre are also double-yellow lines in places. I can't see any single-yellow lines and the pictures are dated 2017.
If you parked after 6:30pm it looks like you are a sinner unless the signage has been changed since the Google car took the pictures.

[emeritus]

The single yellow line means Parking is prohibited at certain times of the day. The times having to be clearly signposted. Do you mean you parked outside the tyre company ?

If so I can see any signs. The residents parking sign and pay and display looks to be the Marked Boxes on the road ?

[emeritus]

typo. I cant see any signs

[OVALLAD]

Hey emeritus

Yes I was outside the tyre shop it was 20:28 very Dark outside and there were no clear signs to suggest anything I was doing was a offence

[emeritus]

In that case I would take some photographs and lodge an appeal.

[bhg481]

I've found the single-yellow lines now near the Lord Nelson. The only signs there are inside the marked bays and the loading bay opposite the Lord Nelson. There are NO signs on the single-yellow bit outside the garage. According to the Highway Code single-yellow lines need to be accompanied by a sign stating when you may nor park. I think you have grounds to challenge.

[bhg481]

Perhaps if you go to appeal you could take a snapshot of this thread with you to prove that several independent people have looked at the area and can't see any signs.

[EDDIE51]

Yes take photos and challenge it. The worst that can happen is that the challenge is refused but at least it gives you more time to pay.

[Buenchico]

You need to remember that the signs telling you you're entering a Parking Control Zone work the same way as the ones which tell you that you're entering a 30mph limit. i.e. there are no 'repeater' signs. You're expected to note the presence of a sign as you pass it and then remember that it continues to apply until you pass another sign telling you that it doesn't.

So it's not uncommon for a PCZ sign to be placed over half a mile (or even further) away from streets which it continues to apply to. There is no requirement for signs on every street.