Is This Northern Ireland Fiasco The Final Nail In The Coffin Of Brexit?

[david small]

Yet more shenanigans to be played out. Betrayal of 17.4 million voter.

[Old_Geezer]

Coherent suggestion; leave it open and monitor.

It clearly is not possible to be in the present CU and not be in the EU. It is possible to be in it, and inevitably in the EU as a result, but have the paperwork deceptively show you've left the EU. That is the worst scenatio some are trying for.

The cabinet won't be able to agree whilst the PM is forever making concessions, so she needs to be guided by ministers who have a better grip on what a red line is.

[Old_Geezer]

SCENARIO

[ichkeria]

You know at times like this I feel for the British PM: charged with project ‘Up Yours’ and cheers on by barmpots ...
How we’d have the nerve to persist with Irish jokes after this defeats me. We can I guess start selling them to 3rd world economies as part of the brave new world :-)

[Old_Geezer]

Ireland leaving the EU is infinitely more reasonable than expectng a union of countries forming a single nation state having a hard border between them. That was the EU and the RoI having a laugh. If the RoI is serious about a soft border it needs to ensure it happens; not stick there complaining.

[Old_Geezer]

EXPECTING

[ichkeria]

Sorry og but all this seems to have made your otherwise level headed brain go awol.
Ireland leave the EU to avoid a hard Border with the UK(!)
Apologies if I’ve misunderstood

[Gromit]

For years, the AB Patriotic Front have been proclaiming

WE MUST TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS.

Now that that is indeed the necessity, those same perennial moaners are saying “let the EU decide, let the ROI decide, let the UK not have a controlled border”.

You have got exactly what you asked for, and now don’t want the responsibility.

[Kromovaracun]

//It clearly is not possible to be in the present CU and not be in the EU. //

Yes it is. Turkey participates in the CU without EU membership.

[Gromit]

Speaking of Turkey, We were told we needed to take control of our own borders to keep the 76 million Turks from coming to the UK to live...

https://goo.gl/images/n3GoYg

Now the same people are saying lets not protect our own border because it might be a little expensive.

[Cassa33333]

Couldn’t agree more with Kendra about the poor infrastructure in Ireland before the EU took over their country. Why would they want to leave?

The NI issue is of course difficult when one side doesn’t want to play reasonably. The simple fact is the EU is protectionist and will fight tooth and nail to make sure they get and maintain those protections. Therefore it is little wonder the remainders are shouting about how difficult it is.

[Zacs-Master]

Erm....it’s not the remainers who are shouting tho is it?

The OP is obviously by a leave voter. Another leave voter who didn’t bother to research the complexities of Brexit before they voted.

[Gromit]

Cassa33333

Don’t be stupid. The remainers aren’t saying it is difficult. It it the Tories who are unable to deliver Brexit because they are a Train wreck of a Government. The Cabinet are as mad as a box of frogs and completely disfunctional. Add a very weak leader, and it is mo surprisethat Brexit is going off the rails.

Brexit is an opportunity for a politician, not a problem. They have the golden opportunity to write the template for leaving the EU which other countries could follow.
Unfortunately, they have made such a terrible job of it, that no other country is going to be enticed to leave (because of our poor example of extricating ourselves.

[Old_Geezer]

Sorry Ichkeria but all this seems to have made your otherwise level headed brain go awol.
UK have a hard border between one of it's countries and another to avoid a hard Border with the RoI(!)
Apologies if I’ve misunderstood.

To explain it again, the problem is caused by the EU, the UK is happy to retain the soft border; so the problem isn't it's, but the EU's; or more specifically the RoI's. The RoI needs to find a solution with or without their EU masters. Without clearly works, and remaining with won't be so comfortable after the budget drops, so proving themselves to be worthy of the title 'nation', and taking back responsibility for their country, must be worth considering.

[Kromovaracun]

//the UK is happy to retain the soft border; so the problem isn't it's//

That's more than a little conceited. The UK govt has ruled out almost every potential solution which would prevent a soft border. Ireland is quite happy in the EU and your "if you don't want a border then leave" stance is hardly a reasonable, accommodating position.

This really does seem like the UK expecting everyone else to just abide by its wishes ubquestioningly. As I keep saying, we are not an imperial power anymore. The world had changed.

[Kromovaracun]

"...which would prevent a border."

Edit function, please.

[ichkeria]

Exactly kromo.
Few people in Ireland and certainly very few around the border, see why their lives should be turned upside down by what is effectively England declaring UDI. So called ‘independence’ for the UK is actually putting huge strain on that union.
I think gromit’s being a bit unfair to the government: delivering Brexit was always going to be a nightmare. Trying to fulfil the wishes of ‘the people’ when no one is entirely sure what they they want, with a goodly number of the cabinet realising the whole thing is daft, and the others trying to impose their fantasy of an ‘independent’ Britain. And that’s before you take into account the position of the rest of the EU