Good News

[cassa333]

For Brexit perhaps?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389610

If the EU are strongly opposed to key parts..... and TM has said there are no compromises it could be the end of negotiations.

However TM is well known for doing the opposite to what she says, so who knows.

[jourdain2]

Happy enough with the EU's stance, gives us a bit of leeway to sort things out. T. May, of course, roll over to have her tummy tickled.

[jim360]

Who wants the negotiations to fail?

[Theland]

As Ive said many times, who wants to stay in the UNDEMOCRATIC EU?
Why?
If we stay in they can bind us ever closer and we never get the chance to say no.
Let's go and sod them all

[jourdain2]

So far as I can see, Jim, the EU want things to fail - it will be to discourage les autres. We need to be prepared for it. I would much prefer (by a million miles) to have an amicable, friendly relationship - but their set path simply doesn't allow for flexibility as far as I (and obviously 'they') can see. It's the EU organisation that is the problem, not 'other countries'. You know I lived in France for 15 years, we can get along - EU rules won't let us.

[Davemano]

^^^^My views entirely.

[Davemano]

My comment was responding to Theland.

[jim360]

I don't think the EU wants things to fail, but they wouldn't want to see an outcome that undermines the principles EU. Rightly so, and perfectly sensible.

[Kromovaracun]

Erm "Theresa May says x" is usually a strong indicator that the opposite will happen.

[New Judge]

"...but they wouldn't want to see an outcome that undermines the principles EU. Rightly so, and perfectly sensible."

Quite so, Jim. There is no reason why the EU should sacrifice its key principles to satisfy the whims of a departing member. The problem is (and has been from the beginning) that the UK expects the EU to make such a sacrifice. This is because those conducting the negotiations for our departure have seen Brexit as a damage limitation exercise rather than an opportunity to go down a different path (which is what the majority of those who voted chose). They are attempting to keep the UK as closely aligned as possible with the EU instead of making a clean break. Hopefully their overtures will be soundly rejected. But I'll not hold my breath.

[cassa333]

They have threatened car manufacturing in the UK now as well.

About time we just walk away and let no deal focus minds on what it’s like to not have the UK as a close friend.

But it is interesting to hear that their project is so fragile that concessions to the UK risk the entire project.

[cassa333]

And now BO JO has waded in with a damning piece.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45392105

Checker is the worst of all deals. Half in and hogtied.

[Old_Geezer]

The EU don't like it, the remainers don't like it, the leavers don't like it. Only May and her supporters claim it's ok. May is trying to find a compromise all will accept and inevitably falls between the two stools with the worse bits of both included rather than avoided. Remaining under EU control whilst fiddling at the edges and pretending to have left. Nobody else wants that.

At this rate we will continue to disagree until time is up and we're out with the 'no deal' scenario. Which has seemed near inevitable for some time now. The EU refuses to agree and prefers a hit on their trade in the hope we'll be hit too, instead of modifying their stance and allowing a separate trade arrangement to benefit both sides. Holding on to their political dogma and block rules without considering how parallel arrangements can be in place also.

[Jackdaw33]

Time TM went and BJ took over. Let him wade into the EU with both fists and the devil take the hindmost.

[cassa333]

TBH I don’t know what the Canada deal is like but Canada +++ has been bandied about. And I think JRM is advocating that sort of deal.

Why don’t we just propose that and see how much the EU want to cut their noses off.

[youngmafbog]

We will end up worse off.

Treason May will see to that.

If labour have anything about them they will ditch COB and his commie mates with the result of seeing labour in power for the next 20 years.

[cassa333]

But Labour would have to ditch their remain policy.

[Kromovaracun]

Does Labour even have a policy on Brexit at the moment? They seem gridlocked to me. Corbyn has been notably silent on the issue.