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What happens if MPs vote against the deal on offer?
Not opinion or what you think should happen but constitutionally what happens?
At the moment, and remainers not withstanding, we are due to leave the EU on 29th March 2019. Deal or no deal.
I and many leavers would be quite happy with this but it is unlikely to happen (if at all) easily.
So what can parliament (not the noisy rabble rousers) actually do?
Not opinion or what you think should happen but constitutionally what happens?
At the moment, and remainers not withstanding, we are due to leave the EU on 29th March 2019. Deal or no deal.
I and many leavers would be quite happy with this but it is unlikely to happen (if at all) easily.
So what can parliament (not the noisy rabble rousers) actually do?
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I knew exactly what I was voting for, 10CS, and what I expected the government to do in response to my reply to the question they asked me. I've made that known many times on here previously. I am also aware of the risks and advantages of my expectations. I won't get too bogged down (you can look up my previous posts if you wish) as I'm supposed to be on a "Brexit Free" sabbatical.
I’m with NJ and Naomi on this one.
I would say most people knew what they were voting for.
Remain knew they wanted to remain in the EU but if we left we left the single market and customs union.
Leave knew they wanted to leave the EU and if we left we left the single market and customs union.
What part didn’t you understand 10c?
I would say most people knew what they were voting for.
Remain knew they wanted to remain in the EU but if we left we left the single market and customs union.
Leave knew they wanted to leave the EU and if we left we left the single market and customs union.
What part didn’t you understand 10c?
Then I think you’re wrong 10c.
Either way it will benefit the wealthy but it will also benefit everyone else.
If you are so blinkered that you think only wealthy people will benefit and so didn’t bother then I despair.
This was one of the biggest opportunity’s in our lifetime and you couldn’t see further than your nose. It is blinkere
Either way it will benefit the wealthy but it will also benefit everyone else.
If you are so blinkered that you think only wealthy people will benefit and so didn’t bother then I despair.
This was one of the biggest opportunity’s in our lifetime and you couldn’t see further than your nose. It is blinkere
It's only people who want their nation to be in control of themselves enough to warrant the title "nation", who have a real interest. The rest don't care as long as things are easy and comfortable.
100% of the people knew that they were either voting to leave, or voting to stay under the EU thumb. That's what the referendum question was about. Let's say "most people" knew that, even if some want to make out otherwise now.
100% of the people knew that they were either voting to leave, or voting to stay under the EU thumb. That's what the referendum question was about. Let's say "most people" knew that, even if some want to make out otherwise now.
Leave Alliance - a coalition of Eurosceptic groups including the oldest one in Britain - campaigned for a soft Brexit through the Referendum (and indeed still do). Vote Leave on numerous occasions promised alternately the Norway option, no-deal, Canada-Plus, and really whatever else came to their mind. Leave.EU did The idea that there was one idea of what Brexit meant is simply not consistent with the facts.
Remainers were clearly and obviously voting for the status quo.
Remainers were clearly and obviously voting for the status quo.
The trading deal for afterwards was a separate issue to whether one left or remained.
There was one idea of Brexit, but numerous possibilities for our future relationship; but all depended on the EU being open to reasonable discussion and not witnessing active dissent and attempts to overturn the referendum result by those unable to accept the majority decision. It stretches things beyond reason to try to claim that because one could suggest different relationships afterwards means there were different Brexits. One Brexit, one out, multiple potential ways forward afterwards.
There was one idea of Brexit, but numerous possibilities for our future relationship; but all depended on the EU being open to reasonable discussion and not witnessing active dissent and attempts to overturn the referendum result by those unable to accept the majority decision. It stretches things beyond reason to try to claim that because one could suggest different relationships afterwards means there were different Brexits. One Brexit, one out, multiple potential ways forward afterwards.
// What part didn’t you understand 10c?//
the bit that makes sense
You didnt have a vote for keeping "all the nice things in the EU" - free trade, frictionless thingey, more rights because they are good - no duties because duties are burdensome
and rejecting all the nasty things - having to speak French a lot, having to listen to the Germans, if you want a plumber having to speak Polish, having to pay too much or anything at all, or if you want to use the NHS, having to speak a click language like Xhosa or a tonal african one like Yoruba or tui ( tree to you and me)
but that was never on the table
the bit that makes sense
You didnt have a vote for keeping "all the nice things in the EU" - free trade, frictionless thingey, more rights because they are good - no duties because duties are burdensome
and rejecting all the nasty things - having to speak French a lot, having to listen to the Germans, if you want a plumber having to speak Polish, having to pay too much or anything at all, or if you want to use the NHS, having to speak a click language like Xhosa or a tonal african one like Yoruba or tui ( tree to you and me)
but that was never on the table
//You didnt have a vote for keeping "all the nice things in the EU" - free trade, frictionless thingey, more rights because they are good - no duties because duties are burdensome and rejecting all the nasty things ...blah, blah, blah//
That nonsense was never on the table. That's why I couldn't vote for it even I wanted to.
I was asked whether I wanted to remain in the EU or to leave it.
Mr Cameron's leaflet told me that the government would get us out of the EU if that's what the majority wanted.
That nonsense was never on the table. That's why I couldn't vote for it even I wanted to.
I was asked whether I wanted to remain in the EU or to leave it.
Mr Cameron's leaflet told me that the government would get us out of the EU if that's what the majority wanted.
I knew what I was voting for.
However, if we decide to stay in, then we are voting to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats, who can then pass laws without our say so, to rule us, and back it up with international law, overseen by the ECJ.
If later the EU decide to abolish national budgets, and implement EU wide spending plans, we would simply be a whinging powerless region unable to influence anything.
Am I really wrong?
However, if we decide to stay in, then we are voting to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats, who can then pass laws without our say so, to rule us, and back it up with international law, overseen by the ECJ.
If later the EU decide to abolish national budgets, and implement EU wide spending plans, we would simply be a whinging powerless region unable to influence anything.
Am I really wrong?
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