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Time For A New Referendum ?
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Is it time for a new referendum .if its out out we go deal or no deal if its in have a general election and let’s get on with looking after our country . there was a referendum I hear you say .Aye there was but this time no politicians involved let the people decide not like last time when we did not know who to believe .
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Or not if you play by Togo's rules apparently. I've said all along it's obvious we won't leave and we won't, that's clearer now than ever, the country is in pieces over this mishandled, cocked up, weak handling of the situation, and it's not undemocratic to ask the people a second time given all that has recently come to light about how damaging this is.
"...what is to stop the brexiteers demanding another one if they lose?"
Nothing -- except maybe that they wouldn't have support for a further referendum in Parliament or in the country.
At the moment I can't for the life of me work out what Theresa May is playing at, beyond trying desperately to get her Deal accepted. When it fails, though, she runs out of excuses to explore other options.
Nothing -- except maybe that they wouldn't have support for a further referendum in Parliament or in the country.
At the moment I can't for the life of me work out what Theresa May is playing at, beyond trying desperately to get her Deal accepted. When it fails, though, she runs out of excuses to explore other options.
What's the most important thing right now? I would say not leaving or remaining but reuniting a divided country.
What's the deal that can be done that reunites a divided country? I would say the one that nobody wants! But that gives everybody some of what they want.
So, I think the deal that's on the table is the very close to the deal we'll end up doing. The key issue, that will still leave is a split as-is, is the backstop. "They" - the UK and EU - need to a) make it very clear that the backstop is unlikely to be invoked and b) put a time limit on it if it is invoked. I think minds will be concentrated and systems and technologies will be created that make the backstop go away, if people know that there's a hard limit on it.
What's the deal that can be done that reunites a divided country? I would say the one that nobody wants! But that gives everybody some of what they want.
So, I think the deal that's on the table is the very close to the deal we'll end up doing. The key issue, that will still leave is a split as-is, is the backstop. "They" - the UK and EU - need to a) make it very clear that the backstop is unlikely to be invoked and b) put a time limit on it if it is invoked. I think minds will be concentrated and systems and technologies will be created that make the backstop go away, if people know that there's a hard limit on it.
I don't doubt your sincerity Minty, but you aren't the only one I know with insights into the workings of the government.
The UK has, overall, benefitted from EU membership -- economically and in many other ways -- and it will be a sad thing for all concerned if we do end up leaving. In the meantime, there is no reason to worry about a second referendum, nor claim that holding one marks the death of democracy.
The UK has, overall, benefitted from EU membership -- economically and in many other ways -- and it will be a sad thing for all concerned if we do end up leaving. In the meantime, there is no reason to worry about a second referendum, nor claim that holding one marks the death of democracy.
I suspect the "good reasons" for that were a) benefits for politicians involved, b) the idea that trade agreements are beneficial to the economy, c) politicians not giving a hoot about the nation's status as long as they can take credit for the change and be out of office by the time the people realise how they were lied to about it being just a trade arrangement. Most likely more reasons too, but that's enough to be going on with.
There's every reason to inform folk that repeating referenda until one gets the answer politicians want indicates an absence of democracy. Some are still deluded into thinking it proves democracy.
Reuniting a divided country can only be started after the government delivers on our vote and those unable to accept that their view lost realise that their protests are finally too late.
Reuniting a divided country can only be started after the government delivers on our vote and those unable to accept that their view lost realise that their protests are finally too late.
