Is It Too Soon For Indyref2?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47679065
they only voted 4 years ago.

[steg]

aye too soon, best wait another couple weeks

[anneasquith]

Sit back and wait, no hurry, lets see what the fiasco that is brexit achieves ( if anything ) !!!

[youngmafbog]

I'm all for another one, but let the whole of the UK vote.

[anneasquith]

What a ridiculous idea/ argument ;*)

[Old_Geezer]

Well Karl, certainly the fact that Scotland is not independently part of the EU and only has membership via the UK, was mentioned at the time of their last referendum. I suspect Talbot's incredulity revolves around your statement that it was unfounded that leaving the UK inevitability meant leaving the EU at the same time; given that Scotland had no independent membership to retain, And when Sturgeon went and spoke to the EU about it they sent her away "with a flea in her ear".

[naomi24]

anneasquith, perhaps not such a bad idea. You could well get what you want. ;o)

[youngmafbog]

That is exactly what I was thinking Naomi.

Just out of interest, and no malice or mischievousness intended, I really would like to understand why the Sottish want their Independence (which I fully understand and support) but then want to tie themselves to an undemocratic ruler (eg the EU). Surely that is even less independence and defeats all the hard work getting free of Westminster?

[anneasquith]

You all best get your Scottish passports . :*)

[youngmafbog]

Yes Anne, but can you help me out with my question?

[bodeker]

YES ! I wish that damn woman would spend as much time in her own constitanary as she did drumming up support for another referendum, the place is a slum and she is doing damn all about it .

[KARL]

Old_Geezer and youngmafbog, Scottish voters narrowly chose to continue leaving their fate in the hands of England (who as the overwhelmingly larger block of "democratic voters" will always be the deciders) - something they were encouraged to do to remain in the EU and again in the second referendum they indicated the majority wants to remain. The result is that they are nevertheless leaving the EU, they accepted the former argument but rejected the promises for latter although both have led to an unwanted outcome, a contradiction. There is clearly a conundrum: The majority of Scottish voters want both the English to decide their affairs and also to be with the English within the EU. Now that their twin goal is not going to be realised, which choice will win out - they must choose one or the other (or refrain from choosing and continue to accept having England do their choosing). That some people fail to understand why others prefer to be a willing and co-operative part of a larger international unit is perhaps no surprise, especially if the surprised group is convinced they have a monopoly on good sense and a general superiority over the rest. That sort of circumstance strikes me as a clear indicator of a parting of ways and that is perhaps why a second independence referendum is being discussed as a distinct/attractive possibility.