Well We Can All Stop Blaming The Governement Now The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum...

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47701591
What will our fate be?

[naomi24]

//Not sure what you mean. Whatever the motley crew comes up with, none of us can say we voted for it - certainly not remainers. //

Indeed they didn't - but if, for all their efforts to scupper Brexit, Mrs May's deal is what they end up with it will be fair to say they've shot themselves in the foot.

[Ellipsis]

Whose efforts ... remainers in parliament, or remainers in the general public?

Because MPs aren't taking any notice of the general public. Although to be fair it's very difficult when the public are so split. What's an MP who wants to keep their seat to do? They probably got a vote of around 40% on a 60% turnout to win that seat. Leave got 52% and Remain got 48% on a 72% turnout. So the poor lambs are confused.

To be clear: nothing any remainer on AB posts will make a jot of difference to how any MP acts. Nor will anything any leaver posts.

[hereIam]

naomi at 16:58, yes me definitely when yet another EU directive is issued telling us what we have to do in this country and we will have no choice because of the rabid remainers stopping us from leaving, even though we won a democratic vote !!! I think I am at the stage now where I have steam coming out of my ears ...

[naomi24]

Indeed, hereIam- and all protesting ‘not me guv!’ ;o)

[Ellipsis]

Nice that you think remainers carry more weight with MPs than leavers, naomi. But why would that be the case, if there are more leavers than remainers? The only reason is that MPs behave just like everybody else, including on AB - they have their opinion and they stick to it no matter what. ;o)

[jim360]

// What, like we are at the moment you mean, Jim (or are supposed to be until the “opt outs” are gradually whittled away in typical EU style). So how would that be caring for the 48% of Leavers? //

There's no sign that the opt-outs would have been whittled away -- and, indeed, by definition, they cannot have been: each member would have an opt-out on whether or not their opt-out can be removed. So things would have largely carried on as before. Sure, the EU would have as a whole continued to push towards greater integration, but there is more resistance to it across the continent than just in the UK, so it would have taken time at least before such would have happened. And then, only with the UK's consent and the consent of all nation states in the EU.

[jim360]

I don't think there's any reason to gloat from either side whatever happens now.

[Ellipsis]

This is what Europe needs, whether or not we're part of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-speed_Europe

[naomi24]

No outside influence, ellipsis. Forget Gina Miller, the BBC, and various people crawling out of the woodwork, including the slime ball that is Tony Blair. Sadly integrity is a bygone word and a bygone attribute.

[Ellipsis]

Again, you'd need to say why an MP would choose to take any notice of (e.g.) Blair if they didn't already agree with him. These people are making no difference. There's nothing in it for an MP to take notice of Blair, except if that MP already agrees with Blair and can use Blair to justify their own opinion. It's all self-serving.

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https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1110602936353214464

[naomi24]

Ellipsis, they are self-serving, but I think you credit MPs with more brains – and certainly with more integrity – than any of them possess. From the beginning, in every area, this whole thing has been an ever-growing bandwagon of Remainers from every walk of life scaremongering, spinning, and lying. The house voted by a large majority to trigger A50, giving the impression that it was honouring the result of the referendum, but it had no intention of doing that. The Remain camp is disingenuous to a fault. Not an honest soul among them.