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Very Many Thanks Eve, I could try those tubi grips too, even though I haven't heard of them before and as for a referral to an OT, Iften wonder it my arthritic pain is reason enough to ask for an appointment, because I am stubborn enough only to see my own GP who is an absolute marvel! I suppose it's a case of either try summat or just put up with it! I could be mean and horrible of course - "no change then," says Lie-in King, with an evil grin - and say that as I am blind, my hands are my eyes and try getting "in front of the queue" like others I have heard about!...no, not me that kind of behaviour! Thank You All anyway for your help and advice.