Var Discussion (Again)

[albaqwerty]

Listening to talksport last night, presenter was wondering if VAR was used too much, instead of the immediate roar from the fans, at some point in the not-too-distant future, the fans will just sit in their seats and wait for the confirmation that a goal was scored and then react with a polite cheer.

Would/could/is VAR going to make spontaneous reaction diluted?

[brainiac]

Yes, I think it'll become like cricket: unless someone is obviously caught or bowled (and even then it's often referred) the spectators can only assume somebody is out, and the response is muted until the ruling is given. Takes away the thrill of the wicket/goal.

[THECORBYLOON]

Hawkeye has been used for years in tennis and cricket and the crowds still react as they did prior to its being introduced.

I see no reason why football should be any different.

[Gromit]

Yes I think it will. It is already happening with friends I watch footy with.

[jno]

builds up suspense as crowds wait to see if a ball really was nicked on its way to the wicketkeeper, or if a leg really was before wicket. (The latter is a bit more specious as it involves predicting what would have happened rather than investigating whatdid happen, but that's true whether you have video technology or not.)

[douglas9401]

If overpaid, entitled second rate players had taken a telling over the years and accepted the rough with the smooth then none of this would be neccessary.

For some reason if you get covered in ink and spend half a grand on a knob's haircut your opinion counts.

The authorities are every bit as bad for letting them away with it for years with no real sanction.

[drmorgans]

The criticism of poor refereeing has tended to come from managers and pundits rather than players. Some might argue that broadcasters like Sky have a vested interest in these "angels on a pinhead" arguments as it fills screen time.

[Cloverjo]

I’m not a football fan, but I love cricket and tennis. I don’t think hawkeye has hurt either of those sports. It’s quite exciting really.

[dannyk13]

Cricket doesn't have Hawkeye, it has VAR which was good job in the last test with 6 decisions overturned.

[dannyk13]

In cricket it is called a Decision Review System

[Gromit]

The problem isn’t really VAR, the problem is the off side and handball rules are very poor.
An accidental handball or ball-to-hand now results in a foul and any resulting goal being disallowed.

[dannyk13]

Gromit //An accidental handball or ball-to-hand now results in a foul//
Only in certain circumstances:-
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-kick-and-free-kick-rule-changes-now-into-effect/

[drmorgans]

I was at the Wolves - Manchester United game when Ruben Neves' goal was reviewed. There was a celebration, then a pause when fans realised the goal was being reviewed, then another celebration when it was allowed. The previous week Wolves had had a (winning) goal disallowed due to an unintentional hand-ball. My worry is that a VAR will result in crowd trouble.

In cricket and tennis teams / players have a limited number of declined reviews. In football, play seems to be under continuous review by the VAR refs. I would be happy for the referee to ask for a review if they were unsure of a decision or captains to have a limited number of reviews (say 3). VAR may be a step too far, but goal-line technology seems a useful addition.

[albaqwerty]

Gromit, the presenter said similar. He noticed a difference when watching a prem league match with his mates when at home.

I know nothing about the cricket DRS, are spectators able to see what's being looked at as they are in tennis.

Why the secrecy when it comes to football, I wonder.

[jno]

alba, I think so, you can hear the roar go up from the crowd when a decision is made so I assume they're watching the same thing as I am at home.

Dannyk, surely Hawkeye is one of the technologies the TV umpire uses when reviewing a decision?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk-Eye#Cricket

[THECORBYLOON]

DANNY, Hawkeye is used in cricket. In tennis, Hawkeye shows where the ball actually landed on court. In cricket, it projects the path the ball would have taken had it not struck the batsman.

The only difference between them is in tennis the trajectory is actual whilst in cricket it's projected.

[Canary42]

FIFA have reviewed the VAR system, and are concerned about it's comparison with other sports, so its use will be expanded, and include the identity of the game.

It will be called Football Assisted Referee Checking Everything, or FARCE for short.

[albaqwerty]

sums it up very nicely, Canary