Not In Education, Employment, Or Training Work ?

[tali1]

NEETS -Not in Education, Employment, or Training work.If you're aged 16-17 do they, or their parents , in those circumstances get any benefits for that ? Eg Child Benefit and Tax Credits only to apply tho those in full time education or training course) Or do they have to wait(potentially 2 years without any funds until they turn 18 to claim universal credit ?

[pixie374]

In England, they have to be in one of those until 18, so it may depend where he/she lives.

[tali1]

Gov website says
"You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays.

"You must then do one of the following until you’re 18:
stay in full-time education, for example at a college
start an apprenticeship or traineeship
spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training"
Which makes the NEET phrase somewhat contradictory and redundant ?

[pixie374]

Yes.

[tali1]

Thing is there a) not be a suitable college course b)apprenticeship or traineeship - again no guarantee/likehood of getting one and Someone under 18 may just want to work - but there is no guarantee of getting a job, or even volunteering opportunities

[pixie374]

No, but colleges are always available- and because they know that teenagers have to stay in education now- they are far more flexible in qualifications and who they will take in.
If a child is at college full-time, then parents get child benefit etc.

[Buenchico]

Compulsory education (possibly alongside work) until the age of 18 was passed into law under the Education Act 1944 but the relevant section was never brought into force. The Government finally caught up with those plans over 60 years later, with the passing of the Education and Skills Act 2008. That legislation initially extended the length of compulsory education (whether at a school or college or as part of a traineeship or apprenticeship) to the age of 17 and then to 18.

So everyone up until the age of 18 is meant to be in some form of education. However, just as every child between the ages of 5 and 16 is meant to attend school (or to be educated at home) but not all do so, there will be some young people who don't take on an apprenticeship or traineeship, or attend school or college.

However the term 'NEETs' is used by the Office for National Statistics to refer to people across the 16 to 24 age range, rather than just to 16- to 18-year-olds, so there will inevitably be a somewhat larger number of people in that group than just those who aren't in any form of compulsory education or training:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cq0y8j9nlelt/neet

[sherrardk]

An under 18 year old can be a NEET but they or their parents won’t be able to claim any benefits for them.

[Buenchico]

>>> Someone under 18 may just want to work

. . . but they're not allowed to by law. The option to go into full-time work (with no element of education or training) at the age of 16 was removed by the Education and Skills Act 2008.

[tali1]

"child is at college full-time then parents get child benefit etc" -yes i am aware of that , but separate issue.Thing is child may have on academic interest and simply not want to go to college

[tali1]

"no academic interest"

[Buenchico]

College courses aren't necessarily 'academic', Tali1.

Well before the Education and Skills Act came into force, a young friend of mine joined a plumbing course at West Suffolk College for two days per week and worked for the remaining three. (For the first year of the course he actually worked in an unrelated field, stacking shelves in Tesco. For the second year of the course he had to find himself work with a plumbing company, in order to be able to be awarded his plumbing qualification).

My friends would most certainly have never seen himself as 'academically-inclined' but the type of education he signed up for was largely 'non-academic', and well-suited to his needs, anyway. The current system simply formalises the type of arrangement that he entered into.

[fiction-factory]

I'm sure there are some college courses that contain what many would regard as non academic elements - eg car mechanic, hair dressing animal care. All useful of course. I do believe we waste a lot of time and cause a lot of problems by trying to force academic work on students who are much more suited and would benefit a lot more from far more practical courses/activities such as decorating, working in a shop, designing computer games, working on cars. bricklaying etc

[fiction-factory]

I didn't see Buenchico's as I was typing mine

[tali1]

Buenchico the young person in question has decided not go go for 2nd year of college. - or any class based environment .Stays at home all day on his playstation."Wants a job" which is easier said than done has his academic results are poor and he has no initiative or confidence.Can't see why anyone would employ him tbh.But apart from that....

[tali1]

Buenchico
"non academic elements" - no you can forget those aswell!

[sherrardk]

Someone needs to talk to the young person and give him a reality check. A job is not magically going to fall into his lap and he is not going to get talent spotted to review PlayStation games.

[fiction-factory]

>Stays at home all day on his playstation

^ I know someone who was the same and I thought he was frittering his time away. Now 5 years on he regularly wins big prizes of over £20,000 and has loads of followers on youtube or something, so maybe something will come of it

[tali1]

Actually he makes a nice bit of profit selling PlayStation add ons on ebay. So maybe there is hope...