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BJ wants emergency measures to stop early release of Terrorists ( just as he said he would)
BJ wants emergency measures to stop early release of Terrorists ( just as he said he would)
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Old_Geezer - // "Holy" books can provide justification for all sorts of atrocities, doesn't mean it's legitimate. //
I make this point every time a subject like this is debated, and Naomi comes on and tells me that the Koran is 'instruction' and not actually open to interpretation.
Personally, I don't believe that Muslims take it as such - if they did, the terrorists would be the majority, and obviously they are not, which suggests that the majority of Muslims do actually interpret, which is fine as far as I can see - provided that such interpretation is not seen as giving a green light to terrorism.
I make this point every time a subject like this is debated, and Naomi comes on and tells me that the Koran is 'instruction' and not actually open to interpretation.
Personally, I don't believe that Muslims take it as such - if they did, the terrorists would be the majority, and obviously they are not, which suggests that the majority of Muslims do actually interpret, which is fine as far as I can see - provided that such interpretation is not seen as giving a green light to terrorism.
Naomi - // AH, don't ask me. Read the verse and see for yourself what it says. //
I wasn't asking you, as it happens.
I believe my point about interpretation is valid, as is my point that anyone can take anything written and twist it to suit their own purposes.
The NRA do it in America on a daily basis.
I wasn't asking you, as it happens.
I believe my point about interpretation is valid, as is my point that anyone can take anything written and twist it to suit their own purposes.
The NRA do it in America on a daily basis.
AH, //Naomi comes on and tells me that the Koran is 'instruction' and not actually open to interpretation. //
I haven't told you it's 'instruction'. It contains instruction as well as advice - and it isn't open to interpretation. It's God's word (allegedly) - and that is deemed infallible and immutable.
I haven't told you it's 'instruction'. It contains instruction as well as advice - and it isn't open to interpretation. It's God's word (allegedly) - and that is deemed infallible and immutable.
In terms of addressing the OP - I don't believe that 'luvvie lawyers' are involved here -
Our legal system works on a basis of checks and balances, and no government should ever be allowed to simply enact a piece of legislation without anyone else ever having a chance to query its detail and effect.
Our legal system works on a basis of checks and balances, and no government should ever be allowed to simply enact a piece of legislation without anyone else ever having a chance to query its detail and effect.
Naomi - // I haven't told you it's 'instruction'. //
Dear dear Naomi, your memory is going - you posted this only yesterday -
// The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before. //
But your saying one thing one day, and forgetting it the next, is not a problem, it just undermines the certainty of the way you post, as though because you have studied Islam, it makes you more able to pronounce in the Koran than any Muslim.
Your un-changing position that the Koran is 'instruction' and therefore is interpreted literally, is your perception, and not a undisputed truth, even though you regularly post it as such.
It is clearly not the perception of millions of Muslims, who live peaceful lives, disinclined to 'take over' anywhere - probably because, as I have said, they do interpret as they see fit.
Now since it's not my faith, and it's not my book, and it's not speaking to me, I don't feel I have the right to rigidly pronounce what it is, and how it should be read, or understood, or acted upon, if at all.
Since it's not your book and it's not your faith and it's not speaking to you, why do you think you can pronounce as you do, and then argue with anyone who thinks differently?
Dear dear Naomi, your memory is going - you posted this only yesterday -
// The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before. //
But your saying one thing one day, and forgetting it the next, is not a problem, it just undermines the certainty of the way you post, as though because you have studied Islam, it makes you more able to pronounce in the Koran than any Muslim.
Your un-changing position that the Koran is 'instruction' and therefore is interpreted literally, is your perception, and not a undisputed truth, even though you regularly post it as such.
It is clearly not the perception of millions of Muslims, who live peaceful lives, disinclined to 'take over' anywhere - probably because, as I have said, they do interpret as they see fit.
Now since it's not my faith, and it's not my book, and it's not speaking to me, I don't feel I have the right to rigidly pronounce what it is, and how it should be read, or understood, or acted upon, if at all.
Since it's not your book and it's not your faith and it's not speaking to you, why do you think you can pronounce as you do, and then argue with anyone who thinks differently?
AH //.. I haven't told you it's 'instruction'. //
Dear dear Naomi, your memory is going - you posted this only yesterday -
// The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before. //..
My memory is fine but your eyesight appears to be on the blink - so to speak. Where have I mentioned ‘instruction’ there?
The rest of your post has launched into regular rambling mode, tinged with the beginnings of even more personal abuse. I’ll make no apology for my education - as much as it riles you - and since experience tells me, yet again, that one of your ‘moments’ is fast approaching this discussion is not something I wish to be involved in.
Dear dear Naomi, your memory is going - you posted this only yesterday -
// The Koran is (allegedly) the direct word of God and is, therefore, irrefutable and beyond reproach - but I’ve told you that before. //..
My memory is fine but your eyesight appears to be on the blink - so to speak. Where have I mentioned ‘instruction’ there?
The rest of your post has launched into regular rambling mode, tinged with the beginnings of even more personal abuse. I’ll make no apology for my education - as much as it riles you - and since experience tells me, yet again, that one of your ‘moments’ is fast approaching this discussion is not something I wish to be involved in.
Naomi - // I’ll make no apology for my education - as much as it riles you //
Please don't flatter yourself, your education does not rile me in the slightest - but the superior attitude you feel it gives you absolutely does.
// ...and since experience tells me, yet again, that one of your ‘moments’ is fast approaching this discussion is not something I wish to be involved in. //
I feel my argument vindicated by your absenting yourself from the discussion - yet again, see you on the next one.
Please don't flatter yourself, your education does not rile me in the slightest - but the superior attitude you feel it gives you absolutely does.
// ...and since experience tells me, yet again, that one of your ‘moments’ is fast approaching this discussion is not something I wish to be involved in. //
I feel my argument vindicated by your absenting yourself from the discussion - yet again, see you on the next one.
AH, //your education does not rile me in the slightest - but the superior attitude you feel it gives you absolutely does. //
Haha! Guess you spend every conversation with me ... riled ... then. So very bad for your blood pressure. By refusing to indulge you in your rudeness again I've done you a favour. No, don't thank me. My pleasure. ;o)
Haha! Guess you spend every conversation with me ... riled ... then. So very bad for your blood pressure. By refusing to indulge you in your rudeness again I've done you a favour. No, don't thank me. My pleasure. ;o)
// I haven't told you it's 'instruction'. It contains instruction as well as advice - and it isn't open to interpretation.//
I think it iiiiiissss (sing songy voice)
that is why you have the hadith and all the glosses - which explain the text in different ways
and erm I think it (Q) is open to interpretation as all the muslims in the country have NOT taken a bus to streatham high street and stabbed people with knives that they have just grabbed
but heigh ho this is AB
I think it iiiiiissss (sing songy voice)
that is why you have the hadith and all the glosses - which explain the text in different ways
and erm I think it (Q) is open to interpretation as all the muslims in the country have NOT taken a bus to streatham high street and stabbed people with knives that they have just grabbed
but heigh ho this is AB
muslims should read this...
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yeah hi bobby
I bet you want to wash your cardie after all that spittle in the recent pages
alodda the recent ee-soo is that around a billion muslims dont read arabic and so need a translation ( oh naughty naughty they had to do it in the original when I was a lad, word of God and all that). and now they translate aQ and score endless points over what the translation says and how it relates to the original and what that says whilst they are at it.
I bet you want to wash your cardie after all that spittle in the recent pages
alodda the recent ee-soo is that around a billion muslims dont read arabic and so need a translation ( oh naughty naughty they had to do it in the original when I was a lad, word of God and all that). and now they translate aQ and score endless points over what the translation says and how it relates to the original and what that says whilst they are at it.
//Does anyone understand why anyone is released early ?//
"//Is it written in law that a prisoner automatically gets 50% off or is it just an "assumed right"?//
It’s written in law.
The provision for automatic ...! --- @13:35 Tue 04th Feb 2020
WHOSE Law ? .... the hypocrisy is in front of you, but like these 'judges'* it suits you to deliberately ignore it
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"//Is it written in law that a prisoner automatically gets 50% off or is it just an "assumed right"?//
It’s written in law.
The provision for automatic ...! --- @13:35 Tue 04th Feb 2020
WHOSE Law ? .... the hypocrisy is in front of you, but like these 'judges'* it suits you to deliberately ignore it
* https:/
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