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Are All These Societal Outpourings Of "Racism" Going To Have The Opposite Effect?
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It looks to me that by public vandalism and constant race card playing and the examination of everything from Art to children's books. The - insert fashionable term for non Caucasians - people are in effect dividing society creating an us and them, creating real racism in place of what they imagine to be "racism"? Personally I am apoplectic with rage over their vandalism and systematic, flawed, dismantling of history. I am angered that politicians are so terrified of the "R" word that they'll go along with anything. Who would have thought that the death of a career criminal in another nation would ever induce the HOC to hold a minutes silence? My naturally tolerant nature is being sorely tested here, how many others feel the same.
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Are the protests/riots turning people racist? What
No.
What it is doing is giving racists what the see to be a legitimate platform to air their views. Someone who has moderate or liberal beliefs isn't going to loom at what's going on and think "I don't like thos, I think I'll be racist now", they look at what's happening and air the views they once kept hidden.
Disagreeing with the protests, or with some of the subsequent demands or actions taken to appease BLM is not in itself a racist act. Diving headfirst into an "us and them" mindset, and dismissing the existence of racial prejudices or trying to justify the slave trade etc, is as racist as hell.
No.
What it is doing is giving racists what the see to be a legitimate platform to air their views. Someone who has moderate or liberal beliefs isn't going to loom at what's going on and think "I don't like thos, I think I'll be racist now", they look at what's happening and air the views they once kept hidden.
Disagreeing with the protests, or with some of the subsequent demands or actions taken to appease BLM is not in itself a racist act. Diving headfirst into an "us and them" mindset, and dismissing the existence of racial prejudices or trying to justify the slave trade etc, is as racist as hell.
It's hard to take seriously the idea of a "naturally tolerant nature" from someone who tries the "some of my friends are black" defence. Or from someone who keeps banging on about a "career criminal" as if that, in itself, is enough to excuse, justify, or trivialise his death. It isn't about just Floyd anyway.
Also, I'm not sure you are in a position to criticise their "flawed dismantling of history", unless you can demonstrate a more nuanced interpretation yourself than we've seen in the past. Consider the claim that "[the British Empire] civilised the world", that you've made at least once in the past*. There is no subtlety or nuance in this at all, no acknowledgement of the fact that the British Empire invaded the places they ruled, subjugated the people who lived in those places, and treated them often like second- or even third-class sub-humans. If you're going to rant about the vilification of British history, then you too need to stop glorifying it, and maybe be more critical of the actions in the past. Not necessarily condemning them per se, because it's too late now anyway, but at least being more honest about the human costs involved in "civilising" the world.
Who knows where this will all turn out? The lessons from the past suggest that this massive upheaval will lead in the end only to token gestures and piecemeal changes, and we'll be back again in 2050 still seeing the same sort of protest.
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Also, I'm not sure you are in a position to criticise their "flawed dismantling of history", unless you can demonstrate a more nuanced interpretation yourself than we've seen in the past. Consider the claim that "[the British Empire] civilised the world", that you've made at least once in the past*. There is no subtlety or nuance in this at all, no acknowledgement of the fact that the British Empire invaded the places they ruled, subjugated the people who lived in those places, and treated them often like second- or even third-class sub-humans. If you're going to rant about the vilification of British history, then you too need to stop glorifying it, and maybe be more critical of the actions in the past. Not necessarily condemning them per se, because it's too late now anyway, but at least being more honest about the human costs involved in "civilising" the world.
Who knows where this will all turn out? The lessons from the past suggest that this massive upheaval will lead in the end only to token gestures and piecemeal changes, and we'll be back again in 2050 still seeing the same sort of protest.
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I'll ask the same question as I asked on the 'other' thread:
If a black person or BAME person came on here and said GWTW and various statues were genuinely offensive to them, would any AB members appreciate that and understand why that person, and persons of their race, might want them to be less accessible or removed?
If a black person or BAME person came on here and said GWTW and various statues were genuinely offensive to them, would any AB members appreciate that and understand why that person, and persons of their race, might want them to be less accessible or removed?
//This lot are creating division,//
This is the "us and them" I referred to.
//even the slogan Black Live Matter is decisive//
Only amonst people who refuse to accept what the name stands for. As has been said (and ignored) many times her, it's not "Only Black Lives Matter" it's "Black Lives Matter just as much as other lives do".
This is the "us and them" I referred to.
//even the slogan Black Live Matter is decisive//
Only amonst people who refuse to accept what the name stands for. As has been said (and ignored) many times her, it's not "Only Black Lives Matter" it's "Black Lives Matter just as much as other lives do".
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