Now We Know

[teacake44]

One of the two reasons Test Track and trace has failed was made very plain and simple by News night last night, glad they highlighted that. It appears that up to 70% of people in certain areas that applied for the so called support ( money) from the government, to enable them to isolate after testing positive was not granted. So what does that person do with no money to pay rent or mortgage, no money to pay gas/ elec, and more important no money to feed them or their kids if they have them. The free school meal has 4 bottles of water 2 carrots, 4 slices of cheese, tin of beans, half a pepper, and one loaf of bread. ?
So news night now knows that person who think they may have covid , will not go to be tested in fear of being told to stop at home, ( and they can't afford to) so they go to work. So what choice do they have? A big fat ZERO.

[pixie374]

13:28, TC, I wasn't trying to make a point. I was just asking how many "isolations" per person were allowed to be paid for.

[pixie374]

You don't need the app to be contacted. I don't have it.

[teacake44]

13.44 Pixie, 70% of applicants in one area refused finacial help. In others it ranged from I think 40/ 45/50/60 up to 70%

[pixie374]

How many individuals, I meant? 70, 40... % of what?

[Zacs-Master]

Given that you have to have tested positive to be eligible for the support money, 70% in one area could mean a very low people count in reality. It's certainly not going to be in the hundreds.

[THECORBYLOON]

These are the figures from Newsnight for the percentage of applications rejected

Leeds 49%
Barnsley 57%
Dudley 70%
Liverpool 77%

Barnsley said they had paid out about £200,000 in grants so that's about 400 applications approved.

[pixie374]

Tested positive for support money, is hardly going to encourage people to isolate though... as many won't have it, but have to isolate anyway. They should have said it was more a compensation payment, than an incentive for people to isolate because they were told to.

[ToraToraTora]

ich: "TTT, It was proved very early on that it wouldn't work in the hands of a private company." - yes but the real problem is that it wont work without some brutal state measures and western democracies won't do that.

[teacake44]

Its simple, if you test positive but you feel fine, but you try to do the right thing by isolating, and you need finacial support to do that, but you are turned down for that support, then that leaves people no choice but to say *** then, I will keep my mouth shut and go to work, to pay my rent/ mortgage, gas /elec and feed my kids.
Even ICU nurses/ doctors and scientists have said they can understand why people are having to make that choice.
Government have done nothing more than wrap a bundle of false promises up in pretty paper and a ribbon, very much like a crap Christmas present, looks great on the outside, but a load of crap on the inside.

[Togo]

Try again.
""If people were in work and not furloughed, and had to self isolate, did they have their wages stopped? Or was that just the illegal sweat shop workers?""

[teacake44]

^^ you're finding excuses for the government, they don't need any their great at doing it themselves.

[Togo]

You said that people were forced to "go into work" after testing positive because of financial difficulties. Were they not allowed sickness benefits and were their employers not paying them? Have the self employed not also been paid in advance for putting themselves on furlough? Did they blow it all on takeaways and coke because the food boxes didn't have those items in them?

[teacake44]

Have you ever tried paying you're way on sickness benefit, and feeding kids with 4 bottles of water :0)

[Togo]

Is that all they get on sickness benefit? Well I never. Love to meet this fantasy person with 4 kids, 4 bottles of water, a fulltime job, laid low with covid but still working, and they can keep their mouth shut. Be thankful for small mercies I suppose, but there is always one who "gets off" on being distraught on behalf others ... whether they want it or not.

[bobbinwales]

Can Teacake tell us who all these people are- whats there situation and why they need the money.

If working from home then they dont need support.
If on UC they dont need extra support and wouldnt be eligable
If on pension they dont need extra support and wouldnt be elagable.
If working but not from home there employer may agree to pay sick pay, furlough or paid holidays. Am sure public sector would still pay them.
If sick then sick pay

So 70% of what. Maybe we're talking about 70% of a handful

[KARL]

There are very well documented examples of TT&I (or more correctly the same concept in another language) working extremely well and in at least one example leading to repeated waves being corralled and sharply curtailed. If others can do it then there is no excuse for it not working elsewhere, such as in the UK - it is a matter of competent execution and public co-operation /compliance.

[ToraToraTora]

......and public co-operation /compliance. Yep that's the kicker! Gawd some on here had a fit at being asked to buy a smart phone!