China And Human Rights Abuses

[Paigntonian]

When the Chinese invaded Tibet in 1960 they went from village to village and erected two giant tents. In the first they brutally sterilized the men. In the second Chinese soldiers raped the women. Both were designed to dilute Tibetan ethnicity so that, in a few generations, there would be little difference, in an ethnic sense, between people in the two countries. Now they're doing it again and we shouldn't be surprised. The Chinese communist party is Stalinist in essence.

[Sunk]

// Chinese invaded Tibet in 1960 they went from village to village and erected two giant tents. In the first they brutally sterilized the men. In the second Chinese soldiers raped the women. //

China invaded Tibet in 1951.
I can find no evidence of the 2 tents story by searching Google.
I have no doubt China are oppressive invaders in Tibet and other places.
China has embraced Capitalism with an avid fervour, their Stalinism long ago abandoned in favour of lots of money.
We live in an inter-connected world, so boycotts, trade bans and sanctions tend to hurt us more than it does them.

[ichkeria]

China may have embraced capitalism but the Stalinism hasn’t been abandoned. Especially under Xi. Just as Stalin pursued Trotsky to Mexico to have him killed so China today pursues its critics, especially students, abroad.

To an even greater extent than Russia does.

And that’s before we even begin to consider what they do with the dissenters within.

[ynnafymmi]

@13.06.I dont think Stalin pursued Trotsky to Mexico,it was more of a"who will rid me of this turbulent priest"sort of thing.Stalin was a pure socialist.He could blame all the blood on his hands on others.

[ichkeria]

Well Stalin didn’t pursue him personally, but you know what I mean (I think)

[ichkeria]

As for the “turbulent priest” thing, it was nothing of the kind. Stalin personally ordered and effectively (ineffectively to start with) organised Trotsky’s assassination

[ynnafymmi]

Both were socialists,Ich.Surely murder and killing others would be anathema to socialism.Nah,i believe Stalin was the true socialist while revisionists like Trotsky and Kruschev were essentially anti-socialist.Brezshnev said as much in the 1960s.

[Paigntonian]

Sunk: You're confusing China claiming sovereignty over Tibet (1950) and the subsequent invasion in 1960.

[ichkeria]

@1632: Not sure I follow you.
They were communists but with diametrically different ideas of how communism should be arrived at, Trotsky believing in world revolution, Stalin in doing the business at home first.
Stalin had Trotsky killed, though, fundamentally because that was how he dealt with all his opponents, irrespective of what they believed in.

[Paigntonian]

Tibet was invaded, pillaged, raped, and destroyed. It had no armies, no weapons, no tanks, but their monasteries were robbed, priceless historical and religious scriptures burned, monks tortured, and nuns raped before being murdered.


https://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2020/5/29/Untold-story-of-Invasion-and-Destruction-of-Tibet-by-Communist-China.html

[ynnafymmi]

You are basically saying there in not a lot to be said for these socialist types,Ich.

[ichkeria]

Indeed it was. However is there a current news angle here for discussion?
Otherwise I'll keep babbling on about Stalin and Trotsky without feeling bad about it :-)

[ichkeria]

That was to the OP

[ynnafymmi]

Looks like socialism isnt a very good credo after all,Ich.And wasnt Hitler a socialist.

[ichkeria]

What label you hang on someone is irrelevant.
By your works shall ye know them :-)
Hence the point about Stalin’s reasons for doing away with Trotsky.

“Death of Stalin” btw a very good film. A good example of how you can get at the truth with a little dark humour and less than 100% accurate historical detail

[ichkeria]

By “their” works
Freudian slip there ...

[Paigntonian]

Seems we rather strayed away from China, human rights abuses and Tibet. Was just attempting to point out that China's human rights abuses are legion and lamentable. There is, sadly, nothing new about the latest episode in a sorry tale. Sanctions won't work. They never do. What's to be done? No idea.

[ichkeria]

Properly targeted sanctions I think can be effective if only to punish the top people
We cannot make China change its ways but it doesn’t mean we should just shrug our shoulders.

[ichkeria]

And actually fighting back merely to counter hostile acts such as espionage and cyber attacks, as with Russia and Iran.
And being more assertive in places China is keen to gain influence in. That’s where Trump really failed. If America stays home the rest of the world catches the real China virus