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Kopparberg Cider - A No-No ?
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I'd never heard of the stuff - Swedish cider ? But I'm boycotting it anyway.
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> If you think that this company gives a toss about the political views of those who drink its cider you are being rather naïve to say the least.
Did I say I thought the company gave a toss about the political views of those who drink its cider? No. Rather than using straw men to make ad hominem attacks, perhaps you could focus on the issue.
Do you not find Andrew Neil's position that "HE will decide whether to ALLOW them to now advertise with GBN" rather contradictory? Cancel culture?
Did I say I thought the company gave a toss about the political views of those who drink its cider? No. Rather than using straw men to make ad hominem attacks, perhaps you could focus on the issue.
Do you not find Andrew Neil's position that "HE will decide whether to ALLOW them to now advertise with GBN" rather contradictory? Cancel culture?
//Do you not find Andrew Neil's position that "HE will decide whether to ALLOW them to now advertise with GBN" rather contradictory? Cancel culture?//
Not at all, there's no culture in cider to be cancelled, but a person might reserve the right not to allow a political party of whom he did approve to put a poster in his front garden, that would not be cancelling them.
These companies, apart from virtue-signalling, were attempting to strangle GBM at birth but they've lost, & a lot of people are glad of it.
Not at all, there's no culture in cider to be cancelled, but a person might reserve the right not to allow a political party of whom he did approve to put a poster in his front garden, that would not be cancelling them.
These companies, apart from virtue-signalling, were attempting to strangle GBM at birth but they've lost, & a lot of people are glad of it.
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Why is it virtue signalling?
Could it be that the values of GB News don't align with the values of the companies so the best thing all round is for the companies to choose different advertising solutions?
And how can this be strangling GB News?
If you chose not to buy from Ikea because their political stance doesn't align with your own can you explain how you're strangling Ikea?
If you tried to stop everyone from shopping there by blockading their car park, I'd see what you mean, but your argument as it stands doesn't really make sense.
Why is it virtue signalling?
Could it be that the values of GB News don't align with the values of the companies so the best thing all round is for the companies to choose different advertising solutions?
And how can this be strangling GB News?
If you chose not to buy from Ikea because their political stance doesn't align with your own can you explain how you're strangling Ikea?
If you tried to stop everyone from shopping there by blockading their car park, I'd see what you mean, but your argument as it stands doesn't really make sense.
'Stop Funding Hate (SFH) is a Left-wing internet lobby group that campaigns to starve media outlets it dislikes of funding. One common tactic involves targeting a broadcaster’s primary source of revenue – advertising. Any business that advertises with a media outlet that doesn’t conform to SFH’s way of thinking is targeted. SFH does this by urging its army of online followers to message the advertiser– telling them that they are fuelling division and hate. Inundated with warnings and scared of the backlash, the company often pulls its funding. So far, they have succeeded in getting Nivea, Kopparberg, Ikea, Grolsch, Octopus Energy and the Open University to remove their adverts from GB News, all on the spurious claim that the news channel is a hotbed of hatred and bigotry.'
Extract from :https://www.thearticle.com/stop-funding-hate-is-trying-to-close-down-gb-news-what-are-they-afraid-of written earlier in the week.
This campaign started online last Friday 2 days before the channel even went on air !
& bednobs, if GBN isn't to your taste, please feel free to stick with the BBC, Sky & whatever, but you would be wise to stay clear of the left- wing fascists trying to cancel it.
Extract from :https://www.thearticle.com/stop-funding-hate-is-trying-to-close-down-gb-news-what-are-they-afraid-of written earlier in the week.
This campaign started online last Friday 2 days before the channel even went on air !
& bednobs, if GBN isn't to your taste, please feel free to stick with the BBC, Sky & whatever, but you would be wise to stay clear of the left- wing fascists trying to cancel it.
> Stop Funding Hate (SFH) is a Left-wing internet lobby group that campaigns to starve media outlets it dislikes of funding.
And you would like to cancel it?
I think the like of Ikea and Kopparberg can choose where to advertise and where to not advertise for themselves, based on their own opinions. If they want to take note of Stop Funding Hate, they will. If they don't, they won't.
Your argument is self-defeating and illogical. You seem to think that businesses have an infinite advertising budget and will advertise anywhere and everywhere that will take their money. It doesn't work like that - they have to choose the channels that will work for them, and operate within their budgets. You also seem to think that advertisers exercising free will is not OK if that means they choose to not support the things you like. Again, their choice. And you seem to want to deny the likes of Stop Funding Hate the free speech it needs to carry on its mission. Again, illogical and contradictory. You seem to want free speech and free will when it suits you, and not when it doesn't, on the one hand rejoicing in Andrew Neil saying it's his choice whether he allows them to advertise, on the other hand moaning that they choose not to advertise. Both are OK. Both involve free choice, free will and free speech.
And you would like to cancel it?
I think the like of Ikea and Kopparberg can choose where to advertise and where to not advertise for themselves, based on their own opinions. If they want to take note of Stop Funding Hate, they will. If they don't, they won't.
Your argument is self-defeating and illogical. You seem to think that businesses have an infinite advertising budget and will advertise anywhere and everywhere that will take their money. It doesn't work like that - they have to choose the channels that will work for them, and operate within their budgets. You also seem to think that advertisers exercising free will is not OK if that means they choose to not support the things you like. Again, their choice. And you seem to want to deny the likes of Stop Funding Hate the free speech it needs to carry on its mission. Again, illogical and contradictory. You seem to want free speech and free will when it suits you, and not when it doesn't, on the one hand rejoicing in Andrew Neil saying it's his choice whether he allows them to advertise, on the other hand moaning that they choose not to advertise. Both are OK. Both involve free choice, free will and free speech.
I suspect these companies booked advertising time before the channel had actually broadcast anything.
Now that GB News is on the air, they have decided that it is not a good match for their brand.
They are aiming at the 20-40 age group, and I don’t imagine many of those will be GB News’ core audience.
The decision is commercial not political.
Now that GB News is on the air, they have decided that it is not a good match for their brand.
They are aiming at the 20-40 age group, and I don’t imagine many of those will be GB News’ core audience.
The decision is commercial not political.
I don't think Andrew will be losing much sleep, though those virtue signallers who fist pulled out ( & some of them who are 're-assessing' might).
The following companies are advertising with GB News or are now backing the channel after previously distancing themselves:
The AA
Amazon
American Express
Beko
Cadbury
Co-op (food)
Deliveroo
Diomed
Facebook
Google
Green Flag
Hyundai
Ikea (Has expressed interest in advertising again in the future)
JML
Johnson & Johnson
Just Eat
Kellogg’s/Pringles
Kenco
Ladbrokes
Microsoft
Moneysupermarket (Has expressed interest in advertising again in the future)
National Lottery
People’s Postcode Lottery
Premier Inn
Rana Pasta
Richmond sausages/Strings & Things (Cheesestrings)
Starbucks
TalkTalk
Taylors coffee
Trivago
Warburtons
Vodafone
Wickes.
The following companies are advertising with GB News or are now backing the channel after previously distancing themselves:
The AA
Amazon
American Express
Beko
Cadbury
Co-op (food)
Deliveroo
Diomed
Green Flag
Hyundai
Ikea (Has expressed interest in advertising again in the future)
JML
Johnson & Johnson
Just Eat
Kellogg’s/Pringles
Kenco
Ladbrokes
Microsoft
Moneysupermarket (Has expressed interest in advertising again in the future)
National Lottery
People’s Postcode Lottery
Premier Inn
Rana Pasta
Richmond sausages/Strings & Things (Cheesestrings)
Starbucks
TalkTalk
Taylors coffee
Trivago
Warburtons
Vodafone
Wickes.
> I don't think Andrew will be losing much sleep, though those virtue signallers who fist pulled out ( & some of them who are 're-assessing' might).
Advertisers who choose where to advertise are hardly virtue signallers. They're just advertisers - that's what they all do. Does the Co-op advertise on the Men & Motors channel? I doubt it. If they don't, are they virtue signallers? Nope, they just choose where to spend their advertising money.
Take a look at this story from 2017, when a French ad agency pulled £175M of spend from Google:
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Were they virtue signalling too?
Advertisers who choose where to advertise are hardly virtue signallers. They're just advertisers - that's what they all do. Does the Co-op advertise on the Men & Motors channel? I doubt it. If they don't, are they virtue signallers? Nope, they just choose where to spend their advertising money.
Take a look at this story from 2017, when a French ad agency pulled £175M of spend from Google:
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Were they virtue signalling too?
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