//Nowhere yet judge but it's coming. It'll spread around the world better get used it it me old china!//
I find it incredible, Tora, that you of all people dismiss this so lightly. What is happening here is that activities which are currently rights are being transformed into privileges which the State will only grant contingent on the recipient having undergone a medical procedure. So what's next? 'Flu might get a bit dodgy this coming winter and there are forecasts of up to 75,000 deaths. We can't really have that, so should proof of a 'flu jab be necessary before you can go to an afternoon tea dance?
We need to be very careful about what we're meekly accepting here "in order to defeat Covid." Governments have a habit of being very reluctant to relinquish "Emergency" powers, once grabbed (witness the restrictions on pub opening hours introduced during WW1 - it took around eighty years to repeal them).
//"how many times did he say there will be no covid certificates and no covid passports?" zero, I never heard anyone in government rule those 2 things out. I'm happy to apologise if you show me any sort of evidence.//
As with just about everything else, government thinking (if that's what it is) has been inconsistent on the matter of Covid passports. But have a look at this:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/vaccine-passports
"Health secretary Sajid Javid announced on 12 July that businesses and large events would be “encouraged”, but not required, to use the NHS Covid Pass in “high risk settings” "
"In December 2020 Michael Gove said that the government was not planning to introduce vaccine certification, and vaccine minister Nadhim Zahawi also ruled them out in early February 2021, stating: "That's not how we do things. We do them by consent"."
No longer, it seems.