No Vaccine No Kidney - Discuss......

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-unvaccinated-woman-denied-kidney-transplant-in-us-12427654

[sunny-dave]

On a wider stage, decisions have consequences for all of us.

I cannot (indeed would never) force anyone to be vaccinated - even though my own health and freedoms may be affected if too many refuseniks allow Covid infections to continue to multiply - possibly to the point where I cannot risk a 'normal' life despite my own (good but not perfect) vaccine protection.

Equally, for a non-vaccinated person to demand all the freedoms given to those of us who have taken the (tiny) risk of vaccination is just plain wrong - there is no such thing as a free ride in this life - this case is a very pertinent example.

[pixie374]

That shouldn't be a threat or a condition. It's a choice.
Sadly, we had a 60 year old lady on dialysis, die over lockdown. Her treatment was stopped to make room for covid. Not eligible for a transplant, as she was blind. She died 6 weeks later- as they knew she would.
I do appreciate that treatment comes down to who will "benefit" the longest.
I just don't agree It's fair. And, have now removed my name for donation, as my conditions are obviously different from theirs.

[Mamyalynne]

Did you discover what the UK Organ Donation rules are on this Pixie before you removed your name?

[pixie374]

Dave, vaccines affect those who have them. They can still imfect others. I, wrongly, as it was early on for me, thought it would also protect clients. Who have also been vaccinated...
It's what I thought at the time. In any case, the penalty for selfishness, stupidity, ignorance, etc... shouldn't involve more possible death.
As I said...there are far more who deserve that, than people who are scared or cynical.

[pixie374]

Mamya, I do know from here.... that a healthy rapist is more likely to benefit than an anti-vaxxer.
I will change it, if I find otherwise. Just not willing to take that risk right now x

[Mamyalynne]

OK, as this case is from America I did wonder if the rules here were as categoric as theirs are.

[barry1010]

This relates to the selection process for liver transplants in the UK

"It should also identify substance use and stability within the patient’s wider social support network, and take into account mental health and criminal justice issues as appropriate"

So it is not just clinical need and clinical suitability that is considered when deciding who should get a liver

[naomi24]

My name will remain on the list. I don’t mind who gets my bits and pieces but I would like to think that whoever it might be will do the best they possibly can for their own sake.

[pat2604]

I agree with Sqad and the majority.

[pixie374]

Having read mamya's and Barry's... I didn't actually remove my name. I ended up just confirming, and agreeing to contacting my relatives via WhatsApp lol.
But, while I fully appreciate that it is a medical decision- and it's the same in my line of work, tbf. The health decisions, Imv, should be about someone being healthy enough for the transplant at that point. The idea, we should bully, bribe, blackmail people, for compliance, at threat of their life... I still think, is awful.