French Intelligence Not That Intelligent

[Peter Pedant]

well boys - it starts off on France Inter
Vidaud - Le directeur du renseignement militaire remercié pour cause d'Ukraine.....

thanked for what? - - remercier can mean - thanks but not thanks, you're fired!

Vidaud ( chef de renseignement , c'est a dire) head of french intelligence has been fired.
his leedol mistake ? asked whether Russia was gonna invade ukraine, he said - non ! certainement non ( er no certainly not)/ And now he is gone

EJ Thribbb will doubtless write a dirge or farewell poem in Private Eye

ah - yes a question - - qu'est-ce qu'on en pense? - or - do you think it will snow later on today?

eek - a ref - https://www.lopinion.fr/international/le-directeur-du-renseignement-militaire-remercie-pour-cause-dukraine

[Peter Pedant]

oh well come on - it makes a change from some of the recent brain dead threads |( I hath a pigeon with three ballth etc)

and mods, no this is NOT an advert for member enlargement

[Ellipsis]

Le renseignement français, comme le renseignement de l'armée, est-il un oxymore?

[Peter Pedant]

oui - certainement ( Vidaud)

[Gromit]

They do things different in France.

If you fail miserably in UK you keep your job. May even get a promotion. Our Government has a Cabinet full of the most useless failing individuals - Patel, Kwarteng , Shapps, Dorries, Zahawi, Truss, Wallace, Raab, Gove and newcomer Sunak.
All utterly useless and secure in their jobs.

[wolf63]

They eat horses, don't they!

[Khandro]

I believe his replacement will be, un certain Inspector Jacques Clouseau

[ichkeria]

Can’t have been any worse than Russia’s :-)

[Peter Pedant]

well Putin hasnt shot anyone - er in the Kremlin that is
which must be a good thing for the generals

I cant name anyone in macron's cabinet so I cant say if they are dead-legs. Perhaps that is why GCHQ head and NSA head were making speeches yesterday - " hey look everyone, I'm still here!"

[jno]

after generations of intelligence organisations getting it wrong over things like the Iranian revolution, 9/11 and WMD (and Harold Wilson), it's mildly heartening to see someone losing his job for not doing it properly.

[Peter Pedant]

have we ever fired anyone for incompetence?
Carrington went over Falklands
Churchill fired generals if they lost a battle - "have I no general who can win a battle?" and got thro countless general ( Gort Dunkirk, Auk, Ritchie North Africa)

but I see what you mean - Anthony Blunt didnt lose his job ( doo dah of the Queens pictures) for being a Russian spy

[ichkeria]

Several Russians have been arrested.

In the army and the FSB.

Interesting difference between how Russians and Ukrainians treat the dead invaders: Russia secretly cremating them, Ukraine putting them in freezers (2000).

[jno]

Carrington resigned as I recall, rather than being pushed: it was a wonder of the age, a politician taking reponsibility for his department's actions.

[Peter Pedant]

still the wonder
but - - completely screwed the idea that a cabinet minister could effectively govern from the Lords

I was thinking Allison Saunders and Cressida Dick - Peter Fahy ( oops I forgot to record 80 000 crimes)

[Peter Pedant]

carried in times today
apparently......

Brits yanks and froggies all had the same raw intelligence data

Brits and Yanks said - it looks like it ( putin will invade, silly!)

and ze grenouille a dit " ridiculous, of course he wont, loses on all scenarios, even he can see that ".....

and anozzer froggie commented; seems a shame to lose your job and pension when you are right ....

[Ellipsis]

Here's a proper link - in English, and not behind a paywall:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60938538