Government Has No Confidence In Itself

[FatticusInch]

https://news.sky.com/story/government-tables-no-confidence-vote-in-itself-after-blocking-labour-bid-12651261

Oh dear, what a sad act! Clinging on to the last vestiges of power like a petulant toddler.
Just get out of Downing Street you squatter, everyone’s had more than enough of the pantomime.

[andres]

Why are you rushing to get Boris out. He doesn't need to hurry. He doesn't live in number 10. That is empty already so the new Prime Minister could move in right away. Boris lives in no.11.

[FatticusInch]

Who mentioned Number 10? I said Downing St.

[Old_Geezer]

{shrug} One doesn't dance to an opposition's tune. One keeps control of one's own actions.

[naomi24]

Mozz, your post at 13.18 doesn’t make sense. Why do you think TTT’s opinion ‘goes to show’ anything about anyone else? That’s completely irrational. Can’t think why it made Best Answer. Oh hang on. Rationality isn’t important to the OP. Okay. That’ll be it then.

[ichkeria]

This is something that was talked about during the Brexit crisis as a way of triggering an election.

I thought a no confidence vote in the government didn't automatically lead to an election anyway.

How is it worded? Presumably not:
"This government has no confidence in itself" as that would be truly Monty Python

[FatticusInch]

Lol, still sad to your bitter end eh Naomi?

[ichkeria]

I remember during the Brexit goings-on there was talk of the opposition defeating the government in such a vote ...
While the government voted in favour (!)

I am assuming there is no government whip for this: there'll certainly no longer be any Chris Pincher trying to lay his hands on enough honourable er members as he can ...

[Zacs-Master]

Im not sure what the VONC has to do with Boris staying in Downing street. Anyone?

[ToraToraTora]

Labour tried to associate the PM with their attempted VONC, thus it was deemed invalid. School boy error.

[ToraToraTora]

Sir Beer and the GOAS were mouthing off about getting the PM removed instantly so they thought they'd table a VONC to do it but unfortunately they didn't understand the rules of the game they were trying to play and got taken to the cleaners. Like I said above basically they took a knife to a gunfight, oh dear!

[douglas9401]

"vote on a motion"

How very apt. :-)

[FatticusInch]

Old_Geezer
//{shrug} One doesn't dance to an opposition's tune. One keeps control of one's own actions.//

Except when lying about a predatory sex pest whilst in office.
One gets ones minister’s top do that for one.

[ichkeria]

This is the third consecutive Tory PM who’s had to resign in office and the second consecutive occasion on which an unelected minority of people is deciding who should be PM …

[ichkeria]

“As the prime minister has already resigned and a leadership process is underway we do not feel this is a valuable use of parliamentary time," he added.”

is the stated reason. Nothing to do with breaking any rules. Simply the opinion of the government (surprise surprise)
I’m sure there must be a good reason why they’ve called this vote instead but it escapes me …

[Untitled]

it is not invalid to mention the PM in such a motion - it was done in 1965

the government is just trying to rewrite the confidence motion to their own advantage... a very bad precedent and an abuse of their power.

[FatticusInch]

Don’t be daft Untitled, it was a glorious victory for the Tory party and Johnson in particular, didn’t you see that?
ToraToraTora saw it that way so that’s obviously what happened. End of.
PMSL

[gulliver1]

It must be many years since TTT Graduated from the
Tory College of Radicalisation, but he hasn't lost it .
He still wears those Blinkers and his Tunnel Vision is is in excellent shape.

[ichkeria]

The government probably rightly ruled that it was a waste of parliamentary time having a VONC debate in a PM who is a dead duck anyway.
And replaced it with another debate where a government with a 70-odd majority will claim that it has confidence in itself.
As that, by contrast, would not of course be a waste of anyone’s time …

[FatticusInch]

You need to pint all that out to ToraToraTora, Ichkeria.

He saw it as a glorious victory by ‘the professionals’ and an unprecedented masterstroke by Johnson.
I won’t succumb to pointing out the smutty innuendo in that last part.

[Mozz71]

Naomi @ 15:34. I meant that the whole sorry situation goes to show...

Tora's opinions rarely show anything about anyone bar himself.