Hope She Knew.

[Barsel]

I've just read that Prince Charles and Princess Anne were with the Queen yesterday when she passed away.
I hope she knew that they were there with her but sad that her other children didn't get there in time.

[Ellipsis]

> I wondered if she'd had a heart attack - or a stroke.

Or even a fall.

[naomi24]

Barsel, I've had similar experiences. I've had some long conversations with a hospital doctors about strokes and they've suspected, as I do, that stroke victims, although, in effect, 'trapped' and unable to communicate with us, are aware of what's going on around them. Terrible situation to be in. Just awful.

[roadman]

if we are speculating then i personally think she had an incident in the early morning and was on life support until family arrived and things were arranged

[jno]

Ellipsis, I heard from an Australian friend (in Australia, I mean) that they were denying she'd had a fall. I didn't hear that here, but it must have come from here none the less.

Whispers - you remarked on AB's flag flying at half mast. But am I right in thinking it's upside down?

[Barsel]

Shouldn't imagine they would have life support machines at Balmoral.

[Ellipsis]

> Whispers - you remarked on AB's flag flying at half mast. But am I right in thinking it's upside down?

No, you can tell by the clouds ...

[Ken4155]

Roadman, if that were true, why didn't they keep her on the life-support until all the family had arrived. Apparently she died at 4.30 - William's car didn't reach Balmoral until 5.

[naomi24]

Roadman, whatever happened didn’t happen yesterday. A zoom meeting planned for Wednesday was cancelled because doctors were concerned about her health.

[Barmaid]

It's instinct for us to want to know, but speculation is never going to get us there - I have seen many different times mentioned on the internet over the last few hours. I do think it is likely that Charles and Anne were there but by the time the others arrived she had gone - Sophie Wessex's face said a lot. That is purely my speculation.

Unfortunately, at the age of 96, every day is a bonus. My grandmother is 96 with numerous health issues and we are all acutely aware that every slight fall could be the end (not, of course, that this stops her hopping round her house without her bloody stick - her choice).

When my grandfather died (her husband of 71 years), he had been healthy apart from his vascular dementia. He suddenly became ill and we were informed that should we wish to, we ought to see him asap. I believe he was ready to go and had decided it was time. The last time I saw him he was OK, but frail. As I left, he gripped my hand and stretched for a kiss and said "Goodbye BM". The look in his eyes told me it was the final goodbye. He went a couple of days later - I did not go back since we had already taken our leave of each other. It was just right. I am glad that his darling daughter and his beloved wife were with him at the end.

The problem is with this type of thing is that the best person to be able to tell you what was known and what was heard and felt is the deceased. All those who remain can do is hope that the passing was as their loved one wanted or take solace in the fact that their loved one is at peace.

[naomi24]

As I’ve just posted on another thread, Charles and Anne were with her. William abs tge family members he travelled with arrived half an hour after she died, and Harry just before 7pm after the news has been broadcast to the nation.

[naomi24]

Sorry about those typos. Phone.