Why Does This Keep Happening?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63061077
Do they advertise for low life sadistic bar stewards or what? Time and again this sort of thing hits the news. Fair play to the journos that go under cover.

[anneasquith]

Minimum wage, no experience and no training, your are not going to get great care,
In saying that there are so many people in the care profession that ‘do’ an excellent job because they see best practice in their place of work .

[burlyshirley1]

Thanks TTT.

[Sqad]

"Where humans come into contact with other humans then there is a medium for abuse"

sqad circa 2022

I still can't understand why one has to thank the OPer for the Best Answer.Shouldn't it be the other way round?

[burlyshirley1]

Sqad if you can't understand it that's fine, glad you got that off your chest.

[ToraToraTora]

Anne: "Minimum wage, no experience and no training, your are not going to get great care, " - perhaps but bullying and sadistic cruelty are are a lot worse than poor care.

[ToraToraTora]

sqad, what offends you so much? Why is thanking for BA incomprehensible to you?

[anneasquith]

If anyone saw the tv programme, much of the dreadful attitudes were from trained staff. That’s very worrying .

[Sqad]

TTT.......well, if someone supplies you with a good service, then one should thank the provider ( the person who has given the best answer (service)........in my opinion.

Also it is, to me, a bit.............."please teacher look what I have done".............just my opinion.

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT.......well, if someone supplies you with a good service, then one should thank the provider ( the person who has given the best answer (service)........in my opinion. " - well I am thanking that person by giving them BA.

[Sqad]

TTT...quite...that is my point, then why should they tahnk you back........and would you say "thank you" back and then they would say..............well you get my point.

TTT it is no big deal and just my opinion which really doesn't add up to much.

[wolf63]

I have to side with sqad a little, I normally forget to pick a BA. It's a bit like being patted on the head and being told that you are a "good girl". I do understand that they are important to some people.

I see that the badges have vanished - they were beyond stupid.

Signed:
Grumpy Wolf
Scotland

[Barsel]

The main thing the nurses/carers should be is compassionate and caring.
On last nights programme, we saw a few, but many more who weren't There are some jobs in life where you really have to genuinely care about what you do and get job satisfaction.
It was obvious that a lot of those at that institution have neither.

[Ringlet]

In 1968 I was incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital in County Londonderry for six months. Those ABers from NI will know which one I am referring to.
During that time I, as a young teenager, saw and experienced exactly what those vulnerable patients on the programme last night saw and experienced.
I watched that programme in despair. Nothing has changed in the intervening decades. It is heartbreaking.
During my time in the hospital I saw many episodes of restraint and physical abuse.
The overall ethos amongst the majority (although not all) nursing staff was one of scorn for the patients, who were treated as if they were all "doing it deliberately" to annoy the nurses.
The worst, the very worst, example I saw, which still haunts me today, was one patient in particular - a young girl of only 11 years, struggling to find peace of mind in an adult psychiatric ward. She had been transferred there from the local Nazareth House, a childrens home run by nuns. today, we are aware of the abuses that took place in these children's homes. For that young child, it was out of the frying pan into the fire.
The child was chatty and pleasant some of the time but occasionally she would go into a screaming tantrum, upon which four nurses or orderlies would pin her down while a fifth forced a wooden object into her mouth to prevent her jaw locking and a fifth removed her lower clothing to inject her backside. This happened in full view of other patients and visitors.
While they were holding her down, the nurses constantly swore at her, called her names, told her she was a ***n b****h, described in detail how useless she was and how she would never be any use in this life. They were merciless in their physical and verbal attacks on the child.
I often think of that child and wonder what kind of adult she became. Did she ever find peace of mind? I think it is unlikely.
The programme last night brought back so many unhappy memories.

[wolf63]

Ringlet, that's horrific. To make it worse nobody spoke openly about mental illness. People were often considered to be weak or dangerous.

Thankfully there is more understanding these days and people are more open about their struggles.

[burlyshirley1]

Wolf - BA's most definitely aren't 'important' to me personally, BUT if someone kindly awards me one, then regardless of what anybody on here thinks, I will thank them.

That, as far as I am concerned, is the end of a ridiculous discussion that I didn't start !!

[burlyshirley1]

Ringlet - I can only hope that after that dreadful programme last night, changes will now be brought about in that horrible place. I keep thinking about the woman who stated that in her other place she was allowed fluffy toys and a special blanket and all she got was 'well this isn't that other place and you just have to get used to it' type of thing. | so wanted to go and visit her and take her as many cuddly toys as she could manage. Poor, poor soul.

[Ringlet]

Yes, I think that woman's name was Harley. She was autistic and had committed no crime.
Yet she was held in seclusion with no stimulation, nothing to bond with, no reminders of her home or her family.
Even her teddy bears were taken away from her.
Sadistic cruelty. Human nature will never change.
Behaviour has to be forced to changed.
But that has not happened. The toxic attitude that prevailed amongst some members of staff in the institutions in that programme is exactly as I witnessed it sixty years ago.
So sad.

[anneasquith]

Ringlet, I’m so sad to read of your experience ,which I’m sure will never leave you . God help that poor wee girl . As humans we are often very wicked to each other .
Mental health is still something to be whispered about .