What Can Be Done About The Police?

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https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/publications/an-inspection-of-vetting-misconduct-and-misogyny-in-the-police-service/

report by constabulary inspectorate has found serious failings in vetting police officers... including hiring officers with previous sexual offences and officers with links to organised crime...

the report also found a culture of misogyny and predatory behaviour toward women - including against female officers.

summary here if you don't fancy the full report...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63478011.amp

is there a case for disestablishing them and starting again?

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thank you Paul, very insightful

i do wonder if those senior and experienced officers might be part of the problem though

[vulcan42]

Paul, if that's a rant it's a very sensible one.

[ZebuSanctuary]

// from King George, and he said ( civil and military servants in between, Off you go! - - and then thanked them for their loyal service //

This reminds me of Cromwell's New Model Army.

The restoration of king Charles II saw the birth of what we call today, the British Army.

I think it was General Monck who ordered the NMA to lay down their arms, swear allegiance to the King (which they did), they then gathered up their arms and subsequently became the King's guard under the name of the English Army.

Striking is the fact that it was the NMA that had defeated the Cavaliers (royalists), and ultimately led to the beheading of his father King Charles I.

How fickle is that?

[douglas9401]

You forgot no scruffy, tattooed weightlifting knobs just looking to pass the time or make a fool of themselves on one of these police chase TV programmes.

Sages they are not.

[ZebuSanctuary]

// doesnt understand quotas and samples//

We should not apportion blame.

It's the responsibility of the author to provide an alternative interpretation of their report, so as to be inclusive of the whole audience they intend to reach. The

Interesting is the sample 131 out of 732 as given in the summary link. If this is a true representation of the police's forces throughout the UK, then it equates to very nearly 1 in 5 bobbies having been, or is currently active in being... naughty. Are we to believe this?

However one can be forgiven for ignoring samples and quotas. As the old adage goes;H

There are lies, damn lies, then statistics!

[ZebuSanctuary]

//were similar to the ones I did for my 11 plus //

It is only quite recently (over several threads) that I have read you Vulcan. I can say with hand on heart and with the utmost sincerity, had you chosen to, you would have made a fine police officer.

[vulcan42]

Zebu, unfortunately not, my eyes were too close to the ground. :o)

[Peter Pedant]

We should not apportion blame.

we arent - we are stating a fact - (from the failure to scale up - - (getting teeeeechnical! ( sing songy voice) sozza punters)

Naughty Naughty Dr Donald Irvine ( Head Pree, GMC) said that 2% doctors were not up to the job. After shipman 2000
and was angrily asked what he based that figure

and his evidence - - he clarified, and explained ( how I love these clarification, he should be on AB) was
I didnt say that
( but he diiiiiid! siing songy voice. The hacks said he had.)

[Peter Pedant]

Hence this bolloo in the police about re-vetting
( police equiv of "medical revalidation" - which is an appalling waste of public moolah)

[Peter Pedant]

Zobbz
so that is how he did it - Charles II was a veteran political operator.
Monck invited him back - and Mr Charles as he then was, said hold on whilst I make "the Declaration of Breda"

and then politically, they recalled the Rump Parliament ( the one that had been purged and never re-elected)

urchins in the streets ( wrote Pepys) stood on dung heaps and instead of "I'm King of the Castle" hollered - Kiss my parliament!

John Churchill, served with ye Kynge ( Chas II), led the troops at Sedgemoor, James II - went for William III ( and Mary II) and then served and beat the frenchies during the reign of Anne

theeir ability to survive in those troublous time and steer a clear course, so they were called "Trimmers"

[royfromaus]

That's as good as a rant I've read in a very long time.

But what about Wokery and fitness, Paul?

[youngmafbog]

//Anyway, when the police were transferring criminal records over to the main database they lost all records prior to 1992, in one part of the country. Just, like, sayin'. Yer know.//

Oh yeah, where was that then?

And what has this got to do with Policing today?

[Peter Pedant]

Hi woy
what do you think will happen ?
considering what happended last time ( Truss goes and she did!)
I am all ears

Zebu, unfortunately not, my eyes were too close to the ground. :o)
do your eyes stick out of your backside?

[Peter Pedant]

Anyway, when the police were transferring criminal records over to the main database they lost all records prior to 1992,

yeah no I think this did happen - but they had paper
Incredz before the PNC, each force had its own system and they were incompats

(the software writers knew of this and exploited it so that they would be called back to write hand-shaking progz)

and incredz the civil service did not keep a back-up ( what?) before transfer, so if it failed, ( the transfer that is!) the data fell on the floor. Like in a St Trininans cartoon

This happened in Bootle tax office

[10ClarionSt]

youngmaf @ 12.46:

//Oh yeah, where was that then?//

Well, twas a large city in England. I know someone who was actuallly involved in the process. How it didn't get into the papers at the time, surprised me. And them.

Evenin'all!

[Peter Pedant]

no one heard about it - are you sure

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252501504/Loss-of-150000-police-records-made-worse-by-management-failures

I thought this was earlier

[Peter Pedant]

God it is a bit of a depressing read
2021 Ctr weekly - above

example of " thank god we dont get all the govt we pay for"

[Peter Pedant]

erm I am not sure if one ( ya) can rant about political survival 1680-1700. "Off with their heads!" wd be more ranty

but hey this is AB on a Friday moaning

[10ClarionSt]

Peter Pedant @ 11.24:

//no one heard about it - are you sure?//

The one in your link, Peter, isn't the one I'm referring to. The one I'm referring to was much closer to home for you!