Amazing Really.

[nicebloke1]

Just how the hospitals in Turkey are getting on with the job of looking after thousands of injured people, under great pressure.Not moaning, just getting on with it. Puts us to shame I think.

[bookbinder]

That's a good point. I'm sure that, if we had a disaster, our medical experts would answer the call, also. Fingers crossed that it never happens here, though.

[nicebloke1]

We do have a disaster, but of our own making. 7 million waiting for treatment, some die while waiting.

[david small]

Very many die waiting. Lessons will be learned. Fat chance.

[nicebloke1]

Its a certain fact that no one is just being fobbed off. Even the ones with minor injuries are being seen, if only a temporary bandage. Being seen by medical staff showing compassion can make a big difference to someones state of mind, and recovery. Quite touching to see.

[naomi24]

We don’t know how many aren’t being treated.

[nero2024]

there are not what we call hospitals they are more treatment centres (nightingale type)they dont have all the recourses for major ops, those are being flown to the big cites for that,

[naomi24]

The BBC is reporting that the hospitals are overwhelmed. Foreign agencies such as MSF are providing medical equipment and personnel.

[Gromit]

I wonder if the Turkish citizens bash their pans at their doorstep in appreciation ?
I expect the Turkish Government will not shaft them when their salary is next up for negotiation.

[rowanwitch]

A lot of what is seen as nursing care in the UK is carried out by family members, e.g washing and changing and feeding patients. This is pretty standard in many countries and seen as part of a family responsibility. It means the staff are free to do things untrained people couldn't do. When relatives expect a nurse to pick up a tissue dropped by a patient when they have access to gloves and a bin and it's in the middle of a ward round, and staff are giving out medication. ( happened to me) it shows the cultural difference. I am quite sure the staff in Turkey and Syria haven't a hope in hell of covering everything that is needed and a great deal of triage is happening even on wards.

[naomi24]

Since many of the patients no longer have houses there’s little chance that they still have doorsteps, gromit. Politicising this disaster to suit your own agenda is poor form.

[Atheist]

Talking of politicising...
"Not moaning, just getting on with it. Puts us to shame I think."

Who is being put to shame? Our medical people? Our public? Our politicians?

[Peter Pedant]

Politicising this disaster to suit your own agenda is poor form.
is a constant activity
and NOT doing it is probably impossible
but hey this is AB on a sunday - so the usual rules apply ! ter daaah !

There is a cross border town Turkey Syria and even the Beeb marxist journo was forced to say that a mile a way the Turks are getting on with it and the Syrians are wandering around with their heads still in their hands
( so by implication Turks good, and even better when they hinder Ukraine joining Nato and EU - and Syria Bad, even tho the president is a doctor)

[Peter Pedant]

The principles are pretty standard
triage ( done by the most experienced doctor NOT one oudda medical skool)
basically dead, immediate care, walking wounded, and sort of uninjured.
Divide your services into those who will do best
Put the first five in ITU beds and extemporise for the rest

and you know after a few times, you get quite good at this

[Peter Pedant]

With the tube disaster ( the driver went at full speed into a blind tunnel) the injured went to barts where Mr Martin Birnstingl went to the front arch and performed triage

He had previously gone to North Vietnam and served as a srugeon in Hanoi 1970-3.

2005 Bombings - Dr Dearden did triage at BMA house and no one who got in alive - - died. Unfortunately one of the secretaries pretended to be a doctor and so the question arose, did anyone she 'treated' die who shouldna

2019 - Arena Triage was performed by Dr Michael Daly of whom Lord Snooty ( Kerslake actually) said "when I first heard what he did, I thought it as obviously the wrong thing but now I can see that it was obviously the right thing". (Thurlow about a young Eldon 1795). A vagabond helped the injured and also himself to their wallets ( oops) and one of the helpers got a medal and then they found she had consiged herself a hours dindins break - - oh dear

so readers and boys and girls - we can always do better

These post have been about triage in disasters.
ABers will still q up to say " yeah but what about da foo when......"