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ichkeria | 20:02 Mon 10th Jul 2023 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66160319

I don't know what was said between "Sweden can't join Nato until discussions on Turkey's membership of the EU recommences", and this, but whatever it was it worked.
Many people were suspicious when Erdogan suddenly appeared to be retreating from the Kremlin: earlier backing Ukraine joining Nato, and - to the fury of Russia - sending Ukrainian Azovstal prisoners back with Zelensky at the weekend after the latter's successful trip to Istanbul. Those suspicions appeared justified with the EU thing, but I would like to see Mr Peskov's face now.
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nato has done rather well out of russia’s foolish war
ichi; Sorry that doesn't seem to work, if you want to read it, try;

https://email.t-online.de/em#f=INBOX&m=15679552005421910&method=showReadmail

and scroll go the bottom of the page & click 'view online'
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Sorry khandro it’s too German for me ;-)

I think maybe some sort of customs Union pledge?
NATO isn’t the EU however but they’d already stated that they weren’t prepared to accept that condition.
EU membership for Turkey is a distant prospect so it was an odd one.
Turkeys Parliament must ratify Sweden’s membership.
Hungary apparently doesn’t want to be the only dissenting voice and so will also agree
ichi; I'll cut & paste a bit in;


“It is a typical Erdoğan move to take a maximalist position in a high-stakes negotiation, show readiness to walk, then compromise for progress on key demands,” Rich tells us.

Not (yet) in writing is a looming deal for Turkey to buy F-16 fighter jets from the United States, a likely carrot for Turkish approval of Sweden’s membership. “The practice of international relations is not an art for the purist,” says Dan. “If the Biden team made some understanding, I would look favorably on it.”

Chris who’s in Vilnius, notes that Erdoğan is only sending the decision on Sweden’s NATO accession to the Turkish parliament, which his party controls, so this is not a done deal. Erdoğan made a show of lending his support to an invitation for Finland and Sweden to join NATO a year ago in Madrid before drawing out the process until now. “There is a non-zero chance that some intervening circumstance (like another public Quran burning [in Sweden]) could serve as pretext for derailing the process again,” he says. “I want to be optimistic, but worry that I have seen this movie before. NATO should not spike the football until it is over the goal line.”

With the action now moving to the Turkish legislature, Erdoğan “retains the ability to kill or delay accession if Sweden backs off on counterterror” measures that Turkey wants or if an F-16 deal doesn’t materialize.
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Turkey won’t get F-16s as long as they are buying missiles from Ruzzia.

What Erdogan really needs is money and lots of it.

It’s amusing to see the hatchet job being done on the Turkish president at the moment by Russian state media
Oh, and, for a moment, I thought Biden was actually awake.......
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I beg your pardon I was confusing F-16 and F35 :-)

The US is damnably dragging its feet on those planes for Ukraine.
Anyone who thinks the US is the driver for Nato policywise hasn’t been paying attention. They are out of step with much of Europe in a lot of this
thanks Itch
I cdnt understand what Erdogan wanted
( the best for Turkey of course) but he had spent a lot of time cosying up to Putin - NOT very nato-esque
then returned the Azovstal fighters whom I thought the Russians wd shoot.
Line from 'The Diplomat'
havent you realised that America has completely lost interest in Europe?

yeah OK it is fiction
PP //I cdnt understand what Erdogan wanted//

What Erdogan wants is Turkey in the EU, then the EU to become a Muslim caliphate - a new Ottoman empire - with him as sultan.

Not bad for a football player.
Good news indeed.

Doubt it'll have much of an effect on Ukraine's demand for immediate entry or solid promise though.

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