Here's One For The Brexiteers.

[gulliver1]

Downing St......Dare not admit it, but Ursula von der Leyen is correct. The UK will be going back on Brexit. There was little doubt who came out best in the spat between Ursula and Sunak last week over Britain rejoining the EU.She began by saying it will fall to her children's generation to fix it or maybe earlier , but the direction of travel is quite clear...Britain will one day rejoin the EU.

 

[Hymie]

The loss of those rights may only come to light as a result of court cases, where it is judged that the right or projection was lost as a result of the Retained EU law Reform Bill.

Even the government does not know what has been lost as a result of this legislation – but I’m sure some examples will pop out of the woodwork during 2024.

[New Judge]

“You may recall a short while ago, the government realised that this legislation would take away women’s rights to equal pay – and passed legislation to restore this.”

No I wouldn’t recall that. It was a far narrower issue than simply equal pay for women. Women have been entitled to equal pay in the UK since 1970 – i.e. before the UK joined the EU (as has been pointed out to you many times).  The proposed amendment to the 2010 Equality Act (which now provides for equal pay and which will be ameded by secondary legislation) was to protect workers who perhaps work for outsourcing companies or in different locations.

The UK has had much of its primary legislation framed by the EU for fifty years. There are bound to be issues like this arising and they will be addressed, as this one has, as they occur. It's part of adjusting to the the new order which you seem unable to accept.

“…but I’m sure some examples will pop out of the woodwork during 2024.”

I’m sure they will and I’m sure you’ll tell us all about them. But we’ve still left the EU and there is still no chance of us rejoining any time soon. If you would only accept that I'm sure you'd be so much happier. 
 

[ToraToraTora]

keep on trashing him judge....

[youngmafbog]

Whats the point, he doesnt listen.  Doubt he even reads the posts.

[Hymie]

If you look at the EU Directives, they primarily provide rights/protections for citizens of the EU (I have previously listed a selection of directive titles, making it blindingly obvious of their objectives; such as the Toy Safety Directive).

 

If you arbitrarily remove a large number of laws passed to meet those directive objectives, inevitably your citizens are going to lose those rights/protections – that is exactly what the UK government has done.

 

I look forward to informing ABers of their lost rights/protections which occurred through Brexit.

[youngmafbog]

See, he doesnt.

[Hymie]

NJ claims that the UK had previously existing laws (such as equal pay) before laws enacted to meet EU directives – if this was the case, there would have been no requirement for the UK to pass new laws (in line with the EU directives), which the UK have now ditched.

[gulliver1]

Has Rumpole lost his Marbles ?

[naomi24]

No, he hasn't.  And his name is New Judge.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_1970

[Hymie]

If you read the wiki link provided by Naomi, you will see that that act (Equal Pay Cct 1970) was repealed in 2010 (no longer in effect) – that is why the government had to pass legislation to re-instate it, having removed it in the Retained EU law Reform Bill.

[naomi24]

Oops-a-daisy, hymie,  A swift bit of worming there.   What was it you were keen to inform us of?   ;o)

[gulliver1]

It must be concerning  for Brexiteers on AB to know that David Cameron who was suddenly parachuted into No 10  as Foreign Sec. Made  his first official return to Brussels last week and had a meeting with the vice president of Eu ...Oh dear and Cameron is a remainer. Things can only get better.

[gulliver1]

Naomi  09.43..... I will let you be the Judge on that one Naomi....

[Hymie]

The loss of equal pay for women as a result of the Retained EU law Reform Bill is a perfect example of how the loss of these laws works.

 

The UK’s Equal Pay Act 1970 was repealed (no longer having any validity) as a result of the Equality Act 2010.  Having lost laws under that act (as a result of the Retained EU law Reform Bill), women had no right to equal pay; they could not invoke the 1970 Act as it had been repealed.

 

I shall be laughing my testicles off, as I report (during 2024) on the loss of citizens’ rights/protections as a result of leaving the EU.

[New Judge]

“If you read the wiki link provided by Naomi, you will see that that act (Equal Pay Cct 1970) was repealed in 2010 (no longer in effect).”

Yes of course it was. Because the 2010 Equality Act subsumed all its provisions (as I mentioned in my post @08:57 today).

“Having lost laws under that act (as a result of the Retained EU law Reform Bill), women had no right to equal pay; they could not invoke the 1970 Act as it had been repealed.”

Absolute cobblers. The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023 has no influence on the 2010 Equality Act. If you look at Schedule 1 of that Act, Part One of that Schedule lists the legislation which is to be revoked at the end of 2023. You will not find the 2010 Equality Act among that list. Part 2 of the Schedule lists the EU legislation which is to be retained. The 2010 Equality Act does not feature in that list either as it is a piece of UK legislation which (and I know this may sound incredible) the UK Parliament managed to draft and enact all by itself. It was compatible with EU equality law and nothing further was necessary.

Since you raised the 2023 Act, you will find a section which abolishes the supremacy of EU law over domestic legislation:

 3 Abolition of supremacy of EU law

(1)In section 5 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 (exceptions to savings and incorporation), before subsection (1) insert—

“(A1)The principle of the supremacy of EU law is not part of domestic law. This applies after the end of 2023, in relation to any enactment or rule of law (whenever passed or made).  

This of course is a passage which should never have been necessary because no self-governing (and self-respecting) independent country should allow a foreign bureaucracy to assume supremacy over its domestic law. But we did, we’ve learned and that supremacy has now been ditched.

"I shall be laughing my testicles off, as I report (during 2024) on the loss of citizens’ rights/protections as a result of leaving the EU."

Based on what ypu've written on this post, I should think your testicles are quite safe for the time being, but by all means do keep digging.

[gulliver1]

Latest polls consistently show that majority of voters in the UK would like to rejoin the EU.

[gulliver1]

Not sure if you Brexiteers should be trusting this new Tory Foreign Sec  I have just been watching a programme about the Lex Greensill Fraud. And to think Cameron was involved with this crooked Company and managed to trouser £7million when it went under,and he is now lurking around Brussels .What's he up to ???

[gulliver1]

Freedom of movement when Britain was in the EU meant that EU Nationals could work in the UK. The Poles ,Czechs and Romanians kept their home ties by going back to their Countries frequently. But the lot that are invading Britain now from other Continents where no going back is the name of their game, because their homelands are poorer. Is what you are going to get..... BREXIT eh!