Shane Mcgowan-Henry Kissinger

[ynnafymmi]

Just asking like,but i seem to get the feeling that the death of an English pop singer(McGowan) seems more worthy of respect than the death of a world statesman(Kissinger).Any views either ways folks?

[royfromaus]

When he was 13 his dad got a job as an accountant at C&A in Tunbridge Wells so they moved. 

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Moved from where?

[douglas9401]

Elsewhere.

[Khandro]

For the record; I haven't a clue who Shane Mcgowan is/was, but I know a quite lot about Henry Kissinger & the world we live in would not be the same without him.

[ynnafymmi]

@10.46.Shane MacGowan was an Englishman,born to Irish parents,best known for forming the English/Irish pop group,The Pogues.

[THECORBYLOON]

What all do you know about Kissinger?

[Khandro]

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[ichkeria]

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When he was 13 his dad got a job as an accountant at C&A in Tunbridge Wells so they moved. 

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Moved from where?"

From Ireland of course. Specifically from Silvermines Co Tipperary. In actual fact he'd have been younger than 13 when he started at a prep school in Kent but it wasn't  until his early teens that he stopped going back there. The Westminster scholarship came via his  prep school head teacher who recognised  in him an extraordinary writing talent. Unfortunately given his previous lifestyle, his odd looks and his Irish accent, and  the fleshpots of Soho proving  too much of a temptation, he was probably never going to fit in there and being busted for drugs was the final straw.

[royfromaus]

Why does everyone else think he left Tipperary aged 6?

[ichkeria]

"In actual fact he'd have been younger than 13 when he started at a prep school in Kent but it wasn't  until his early teens that he stopped going back there."

[royfromaus]

So he left Ireland aged 6?

[royfromaus]

Earlier you mention irony.

 

3 Englishmen saving Irish music...is that irony?

[ynnafymmi]

Yes an Englishman pretending to be a Irishman,Ichy.Looking through his biography he wrote a song glorifying the murderous terrorist Dominic McGlinchey,widely known as being a mass murderer of innocent Irish, both Catholics and Protestants.Such a nice guy eh?

[ichkeria]

"So he left Ireland aged 6?"

As already explained, when his dad got a job in Kent he was installed in a prep school there, but he would return to Ireland for holidays, where by all accounts he was pretty much left to run wild. Although with MacGowan you have to beware some of the mythology which he no doubt liked to encourage. Like claiming he could drink before he cut his teeth or some such. The story about him trying to persuade the journalist Lynn Barber to be the getaway driver while they robbed a bank, while plying her with gin and tonics, may be true but I suspect he was winding her up 😆

[royfromaus]

So at what age did he leave Ireland?

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mcgowan was an artist and kissinger was a mass murderer on a horrifying scale 

one made a contribution to humanity, the other was a friend to fascism

don't love shane mcgowan but he lived a more worthy life. kissinger deserves to be spat on not lauded.

[ichkeria]

Which as I have said before is rubbish and almost as daft and shallow as the stuff about MacGowan. Kissinger wasn't everyone's cup of tea, he certainly wasn't mine, but he did good things as well as bad. The OP was trolling to start with, plainly having not the slightest interest in HK and precious little in SM either. Spare a thought for Alistair Darling: a decent self-effacing man whose luck it was to die at the same time as the other two ...

[royfromaus]

He was six, wasn't he?

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it isn't like carb cycling ichkeria. you can't incinerate a hundred thousand blameless people one year and make up for it with a nice speech on the next. he will always be the person who ordered those deaths and he will always be morally accountable for it. your "good and bad" line is a bit like saying jeffrey dahmer was ok because he was polite to his neighbours... it is rubbish

[ynnafymmi]

@18.36.What about MacGowan stating that McGlinchey was a great man,Untitled.Wasnt McGlinchey the worst sort of fascist?Any way im going to MacGowans funeral,not for the funeral,but for the wake.Should be a hoot.See you all there.