The Barmy Army Of Barmy Brexiteers.

[gulliver1]

They voted Brexit to stop immigration . Now they can't send immigrants back to France because of Brexit . Says The Tory Clown Cameron who caused this greatest UK disaster in modern history. ...You were Conned by Cameron. And I Doubt very much if they will ever get sent to Rwanda instead.🤣

[New Judge]

"He would love a pre-Brexit returns agreement for migrants with the EU again .”

I assume that the pre-Brexit returns agreement he refers to is the much lauded “Dublin Agreement” (because there was no other). I doubt you will read all of this but others may be interested.

Lord Cameron suggests that if "Dublin" could be replicated the Rwanda scheme would not be necessary. Perhaps he should take a look back to those apparently halcyon days (when, for part of the time, he was the Prime Minister). The Daily Telegraph was kind enough to explain:

“The pre-Brexit Dublin Agreement allowed the UK to return migrants to “safe” EU countries where they should have claimed asylum if they had passed through them. This was scrapped under Brexit and has not been replaced.”

Their explanation is somewhat simplistic and considerably wide of the mark but Lord C must have got the same impression because here’s another of his quotes:

Cameron was asked: “Hand on heart, if this had come up when you were PM, would you have gone for this [Rwanda] policy?” Noticeably, he did not immediately say yes.
“Well, we had a totally different situation because we had a situation where you could return people directly to France. Now, I'd love that situation to be the case again, that's the most sensible thing,” he told Asthana an interview for ITV News and ITV's Peston. “People land on a beach in Kent, you take them straight back to France, you therefore break the model of the people smugglers.”

In reality, it was nothing like that and he almost certainly knows it. Leaving aside that the numbers were miniscule, in the last few years of the UK's participation in the scheme it was not particularly beneficial to this country. In 2016, far from "taking them straight back to France", the success rate of requests for transfers from the UK to other EU countries stood at just 8%. In 2018 the inflow to the UK under the Agreement was almost six times the outflow (1,215 against 209). These figures also give lie to Lord Cameron's claim that people could be "sent straight back to France". Of the 209 repatriated in 2018 only a quarter of them (51) were sent to France, with the remainder going elsewhere.

The Dublin Agreement did not, as Lord Cameron suggests, provide the UK with the ability to "return people directly to France" so as to break up the smuggling gangs. It was simply a bureaucratic exercise which resulted in a few - comparatively very few - people being sent elsewhere and, in the latest years of the UK's participation in it, led to more people being sent to the UK than were sent from it. Either Lord Cameron knows that (as well as knowing that anything similar that the UK was likely to agree with the EU would be similarly deficient) or he does not. If he knows that he is being, at best, economical with the truth and at worst simply lying. If he does not know that he has no business holding the post of Foreign Secretary and even less business preaching to the electorate on matters of which, it seems, he has no basic knowledge.

[ToraToraTora]

don't bother judge, you might as well explain Trig to a Jack Russell.

[gulliver1]

TTT 13 20. NJ  was talking to me, the engineer. Not the Dipstick.

.....Have a day of.

[ToraToraTora]

SOH CAH TOA - That's the right angled triangle ratios.

[gulliver1]

I do think the UK should Go begging with cap in hand to the EU and ask them to give the Brits special permission to work and live in the EU . So to free up space jobs and houses for the illegals, arriving in the UK that Brexit was supposed to prevent.

[davebro3]

But how did Cameron con me gully? answer please. 🙄

[Deskdiary]

^^^he can't.

 

I honestly don't know why people bother to try and engage. Gulliver has NEVER debated, because he doesn't possess the ability to do so.

 

It is abundantly clear he's not very bright, so it's best just to allow him to post his nonsense and just pity him.

[gulliver1]

Crazy Crazy Brexit  The UK Deports economic migrants but allows asylum seekers to stay .

[10ClarionSt]

As I keep saying, I didn't vote in the referendum but my perception is that the vote was in favour of leave because we wanted to "take back control". I don't know if we have taken back control but I don't think a single plane will ever take off for Rwanda.

[gulliver1]

10 Clarion 19.24 "I don't think a single plane will ever take off for Rwanda"  Spot on.. I Agree.