Poll Suggests Brexiters Now Want Free Movement?

[Untitled]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/12/majority-of-brexit-voters-would-accept-free-movement-to-access-single-market-uk-eu

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Based on polling of more than 9,000 people across the UK and the EU’s five most populous countries – Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Poland – in the weeks after Trump’s election win in November, the ECFR study found the strongest enthusiasm for renewed ties were in Britain.

Perhaps the most striking finding was that 54% of Britons who voted leave, including 59% of voters in “red wall seats”, said in exchange for single market access they would now accept full free movement for EU and UK citizens to travel, live and work across borders.

This could be because the surge in net migration to the UK after 2016 meant that Brexit was no longer seen by its supporters as the answer on immigration, the report suggested.//

i know a couple of brexit voters to whom this would apply but i am very skeptical indeed about the percentages in this report. 
 

what do you think?

[Khandro]

It's The Guardian, they would say that wouldn't they?

[Untitled]

the guardian didn't commission the research

[youngmafbog]

An European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) thinktank commisioned it Khandro, guess thats not biased🙄

//Based on polling of more than 9,000 people across the UK and the EU’s five most populous countries – Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Poland//

Sly wording trying to associuate the 9000 with the UK when if read carefully it is across 6 coutries.  So not much of a poll was it?

[Untitled]

i think the goal was to compare samples in different countries so you would need to do that in more than one place wouldn't you

[naomi24]

I think it's a load of baloney.

[Old_Geezer]

No Brexiter as you put it, who hasn't endured an accident causing them brain damage since the referendum, wants free movement. One can easily say this without data because it is simply common sense.

 

Clearly this is just another Remoaner claim.

[Pegasus16]

Yet another duff poll, designed to whip up the Remoaners into a bizarre frenzy.

[jackthehat]

That works out at 1500+ people per country - providing the same numbers in each country were used.

Of the 1500+ people in this country polled, x amount had voted to leave.....and 54% of them said blah..blah..blah.

Hardly a ringing endorsement for Free Movement.

[New Judge]

We've near enough got freedom of movement. In 2023 1.2 million people arrived to settle here. That's quite enough and more than enough to completely overwhelm the communities where these numbers settle.

In the next 20 years, if immigration remains unchecked, 92% of the country's population growth will be as a result of it.

Meanwhile, the government is planning to virtually withdraw the right of local authorities to control housebuilding in order to build 300,000 new homes a year. If that figure is achieved (which is very unlikley) it will not scratch the surface of the accommodation problem. That leaves aside the extra burden such numbers will have on essential services.

I don't know who these people are who see access to the shrinking single market as so much more important than a descent into chaos, but whoever they are they should seek medical help immediately.

Quite how the opinion of people in other countries is at all relevant is a bit of a mystery.

 

Anybody suggesting

[Khandro]

Untitled; I am a British citizen with a British passport, I live in Germany and have exhibitions in France. I live an hour's drive from (European but non EU) Switzerland, where I visit often without any hindrance.

Where's the problem ? 

The main reason why the EU want Britain back is they miss the 8 billion quid p.a.  which they lost, & we got little for, when we sensibly left their bureaucratic, undemocratic & increasingly woke road-show. 

[New Judge]

" I live an hour's drive from (European but non EU) Switzerland, where I visit often without any hindrance."

Unforunately not a very good endorsement, Khandro.

Switzerland is part of he Single Market, is a Schengen member and "enjoys" freedom of movement between itself and the EU.

The only major EU instiution in which it does not participate is the Customs Union and the EU have been pressurising it to consolidate that into an all embracing treaty, which up to now Switzerland has resisted.

But the EU has begun to bully Switzerland by threatening o rescind some of he bilateral agreements it has with he EU, so it probably won't be long.

You can't be "half in" the EU. Generally they won't hear of it (I'm pleased to say). 

[david small]

This old chestnut simply won't lie down and die will it?

[Khandro]

NJ //Unfortunately not a very good endorsement, Khandro.

Switzerland is part of he Single Market, is a Schengen member and "enjoys" freedom of movement between itself and the EU.//

Not quite so free as you imply; to enter Switzerland by car you have to either purchase beforehand, or buy at the border, their 'vignette' to display on your widscreen or you can now have a Digitale Vignette Schweiz.  Either way a clear record of your details are taken.

[ToraToraTora]

It's only the EUSSR hissy fit and our comensurate response that makes anything difficult anyway. Once they calm down it'll be more or less free movement anyway.

[New Judge]

"...to enter Switzerland by car you have to either purchase beforehand, or buy at the border, their 'vignette'"

That's a toll payment for using their motorways, Khandro.

[Arrods]

We all know Sir Humphrey's views on Opinion Polls.

[Arrods]

//"...to enter Switzerland by car you have to either purchase beforehand, or buy at the border, their 'vignette'"

That's a toll payment for using their motorways, Khandro.//

Tell me about it.  We got lost trying to return a hired car to Geneva Airport.  Strayed into Switzerland for about a mile and had to buy a year's worth of vignette. 

[Peter Pedant]

hi untittled, nice to see you posting - er good stuff.

As for Brexiters as a group, they remain as crazy as ever. see previous threads along with added rhyming slang

[Peter Pedant]

Once they calm down it'll be more or less free movement anyway.

oven ready turkeys, o god it never stops