Sod Off Musk, We Don't Want Your Influence Here In The Uk

[Canary42]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0en9mn8mko       

 

[ToraToraTora]

12:38 on that basis we are already N tier, those that can afford a private jet and those that can't, those that can afford their own pool etc etc. It's a fact of life that there will always be some with and some without, that's not tiers it's life.

[ToraToraTora]

"Fine - if you have the ability.  Society would be in a sorry state without dustmen, cleaners and farm and factory workers though.  " - they can afford a car under my system it's WSS that will not be able to.

[youngmafbog]

I also think motoring is too cheap, as TTT says if the benefit brigade can afford then up the prices.

As for the lower paid, if they need help with a vehicle then ok provide tokens but dustment and many other ssimilar actually do earn reasonable money so could afford it.  

Of course if we upped the tax starting threshold to a good level they probably could afford it.

 

[youngmafbog]

//You don't care whether Musk's influence is good for the country or not,//

That is absolutley not true.  Dont make things up.

Lefties like you spitting their Museli up the wall is simply the icing on the cake and also a good indicator someone will be right for the cou ntry.

[THECORBYLOON]

Perhaps only those who can afford a private plane should be allowed to have a car then?

What about an unemployed person who has a car then?

Being able to travel by car increases the geographical search area for potential employers.

[New Judge]

"What about an unemployed person who has a car then?"

If he is temporarily unemployed for a few weeks through no faul of his own and has not managed to save some "rainy day" money, then he should be given support, perhaps by way of a loan.

However there are many people who have never worked and never intend to. They can afford cars so either running a car is too cheap or they are receiving too much money - or a bit of both.

[ToraToraTora]

judge: "However there are many people who have never worked and never intend to. They can afford cars so either running a car is too cheap or they are receiving too much money - or a bit of both." - bang on, I don't know why some refuse to see that. Unemployed scroungers should not be able to run a car. The fact they can means running a car is too cheap, ain't rocket is it?

[naomi24]

TTT, //on that basis we are already N tier, those that can afford a private jet and those that can't//

 

More wonky thinking.  People buy what they can afford - and if they can afford a car they should be able to have one.  Likewise a private plane.  The point is no government should dictate what anyone does with his money.  If a low earner wants to live on beans on toast and charity shop clothes so that he can afford a car, that should be his choice.

 

I do agree with you though that people who won't work should not receive an income equal to those who will.  That removes the incentive to work.  

 

As for Elon Musk (as interesting as this dicussion is, we seem to have veered well away from the OP here - sorry 'bout that, Canary), I wouldn't tell him to sod off.  There's no doubt whatsoever that he's an incredibly successful man.  He might just have some good advice for this hapless, useless government.

[THECORBYLOON]

Perhaps the "riff-raff" should be restricted to driving only on specific days of the week or only in one lane?

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "The point is no government should dictate what anyone does with his money. " - ....I'm not suggesting they do. It is the job of government to control things by carrots and sticks, that's why beer isn't 50p a pint. Duty is used on many things to control societal behaviour.

[naomi24]

TTT, you're 'not suggesting they do' - you're just suggesting poorer people be deliberately priced out of the market.  I see what you did there - even if you didn't.

[New Judge]

"Perhaps the "riff-raff" should be restricted to driving only on specific days of the week or only in one lane?"

Not quite.

Those who will not work when they can and work is available for them but who choose instead to rely on benefits for their income should not have sufficient funds to run a car.

So if they are what you mean by "riff-raff" they should not be driving in any lane on any day.

[jourdain2]

I can't believe some of what I am reading!  A free society?  We have both worked very hard all our lives and done a lot of voluntary work (me especially). ..... and some of you think that we shouldn't keep our car(s)? How the heck would we be supposed to live?  Motoring is not a luxury and we are not rich.

Can't get to Drs. by bus, can't get to railway station except twice a week to an out of the way one.  Can't get to the shops, etc, etc..  It is too hard to tow luggage by hand......you are proposing penury and abject degredation on people who have worked hard to build this country.  This is quite frankly vicious prejudice and rank ingratitude and ignorance.

I'll choose to think that it is an aberration forced by weird debate.  A bit of humanity would be good, you'll all be old and more-or-less disabled eventually.

[ToraToraTora]

as discussed before, jourdain, you would probably qualify for a subsidised vehicle.

[Mozz71]

You'd be first to complain if you couldn't afford to run the Jaaaaaag (hope I spelt that right) Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

no I would not, I run a 20 year old car I'm not exactly showing off with that.

[THECORBYLOON]

It's not as if you've telt us you own a Jag a hundred times already, is it?

[Khandro]

20 year old Jaguars are cool. I wish I still had my much, much earlier black 2.4 Mark 1 and my 2.4 Warwick grey Mark 2. They would be even cooler. 

[Togo]

Perhaps if we had Musk as Chancellor we wouldn't be heading for recession and penuary. He knows how businesses are run. 

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Trying to understand why we wouldn't want Elon Musk and his influence in the UK?  Is it because he is a global advocate for electric mobility, renewable energy, and space exploration, inspiring industries worldwide?  Or just because?