Credit Where It's Due.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/its-a-smash-and-grab-raid-on-the-constitution-the-last-of-the-hereditary-peers-13278998

While you are at it, abolish the whole show and replace with an elected upper house.

[douglas9401]

A second house following the party whips.

What could go wrong?

[naomi24]

Credit why?  He'll use it to his party's advntage.  

[ToraToraTora]

10:33 well he can do that anyway, just added a load of cronies!

I just think it's correct that we should not have HOL members that are only there because of their ancestors.

[naomi24]

We shouldn't have a House of Lords that consists of government selected people either but he doesn't object to that.  No credit from me for multiple-faced hypocrite.

[Khandro]

It's the Bash Street Kids v. Lord Snooty - that's about the level of these clowns. 

Hereditary peers are a part of the British way of life, do no harm at all, bring a unique perspective to government, and are more than counter-balanced by hundreds of nominated peers of all stripes. 

But they're all 'toffs' - and well educated ones too - so they must go. 

 What a pathetic, vindictive government Britain now has.

Jess Phillips, Angela Rayner, Lammy, Starmer, Reeves & Cooper etc. , I wouldn't want them as my parish councillors let alone running the country.

[naomi24]

Hereditary peers are capable of doing a great deal of harm, khandro.  The unelected shouldn't be there at all.  This initiative, implemented by crafty design is intended solely to create a second house stuffed with Labour cronies, it will do nothing to remedy that - and that is the intention.  With the rumoured introduction of voting for 16 year olds I fear that this government is intent on creating a system that imposes their flavour of politics on this country permanently.  

[Khandro]

n. //Hereditary peers are capable of doing a great deal of harm, khandro.//

To whom & how ?

Former Conservative Government advisor; James Price opines;

Speaking as an openly arriviste, state schoolboy with a chip on his shoulder, it pains me to say that the hereditary peers were, almost without exception, more hard-working, dedicated and serious about their constitutional role than anyone else I’ve ever dealt with in politics. And I say this as someone who was the Special Adviser to the Leader of the House of Lords through Getting Brexit Done and the early Covid drama.

[brainiac]

Just being a peer can be a nice little earner.  They can claim £342 - tax-free - for each day they turn up, plus travel expenses and up to £100 per night hotel costs.  Not bad, eh? 

[naomi24]

Khandro, I can't take your questions seriously.   What do you think the Lords do?

[Khandro]

n. It's for you to answer my question, to your assertion at 11:14   not twist it into another one.

[ladybirder]

It's a long time since I went there but I can't imagine it's any less awful now than it was then.

[youngmafbog]

It's a start, as said above the whole lot should be elected with the election 1/2 through a parliament.

[ladybirder]

Shugar, wrong thread.  Could anyone move it to the Bradford thread please.

[THECORBYLOON]

LB, it will be be quicker to copy and paste it in the correct thread.

[Untitled]

"Lords" have no place in a civilized society. the french knew very well what to do with them. but short of that abolishing their titles without compensation will do very nicely.

[Khandro]

^^ Oh the spite and envy of the left ! 

[naomi24]

Khandro, I'll give you an example.  The Lords - all unelected - blocked the Rwanda scheme five times.  Is that acceptable?

[Untitled]

i'm not envious of lordships. i just don't think "my ancestor raped and plundered his way to prominence" is a good reason to sit in my country's legislature. 

[ToraToraTora]

untitled knows the full familly history of all of them! Right oh!

[barry1010]

The Lords blocked Rwanda five times; the elected party scrapped it altogether, within a very short time of being in power.