Skinned alive in China

[Roco]

I watched a video ..well i should say i watched 2 seconds of a video from peta ( helps animals in distress) it was about dogs and cats being skinned alive in china..the horror of what i saw in a couple of seconds has caused me sleepless nights and very distressed..I cannot believe that such atrocities go on in this day and age and all because of women who wear fur...This has made me sick to the stomach to think that even puppies are being skinned alive from the pads of their feet to the whole of their body...Please don't wear fur..leave it where it belongs..on the animals...

[CrazyWolfman]

Don't let it get you down Roco, although you might not be able to save every animal from suffering there are a great many who you can. If the fur trade is beyond your reach then aim for something else and build up. Also, don't be afraid if you have to bide your time for a while. One thing that bugged me for a while was the way wolves are irrationally killed, simply because cartain humans are too cowardly to face their fear of them and to conquer it. Instead they simply shoot them. Although I doubt I've saved even a single wolf yet, I'm training myself up so that one day I can make a difference, and a big one at that. I suggest you do something similar. There are a great many different ways by which you can achieve something. Public speaking, fund raising, right down to good old moral support! Find what you are capable of, hone it to a razor edge and use it to the best of your ability. Finally, something that I highly recommend would be finding out everything you can about the relevant animals. If I knew nothing about wolves I would be essentially as helpless as someone who didn't even care. In the context of the fur trade there have been people in the past who have simple released them into the wild. However thousands more animals die as a consequence as the ecosystem cannot handle large numbers of foreign predators! This is the sort of thing that a good understanding of an animal can prevent.

Just a final thought though, even if the activist lifestyle isn't for you, whenever you bring issues like this to the attention of others, you may bring out a bit of the activist in someone who can make that difference. Indirectly you might just start something. Good on you for bringing your disgust to public view. How about a letter or petition next. Or, in the meantime, why not just tell all your friends all about it. With the right attitude nobody is helpless. Also, being miserable never helped anyone...so cheer up! : )

[Roco]

Thank you for your support jedimistress..as each day goes by and I am unable to do anything to help the animals even to the point of feeling guilty if i pick myself up and try to enjoy life..my concience pricks me and i think to myself how can i be like this when the animals are suffering so badly..it really gets to me...but then I get a supportive letter from you and other carers and it gives me the strength again to fight and be stronger..I really am so very grateful to animal welfare groups who see the atrocities and have the strength to fight with all their heart..it takes some gutsI think of the poor camerman who must have broke his heart pretending not to be interested in the animals to be able to get pictures to show the world..what must that have done to his mind...I understand how PETA and other welfare for animals fight and take direct action...what other way can they do it...they can't nobody would take any notice...THEY SPEAK FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T.. and they are taking action whilst i sit here and wonder how...
Thank you again..

[Roco]

Crazy Wolfman...What can I say to your wonderful words of wisdom and advice that you have given me...What you say is so true to find out more about the animals concerned ..i really want to do that but need to build myself a bit stronger befor i get in any deeper...I support all you say about the wolves and i can see your deep concern about them and other animals...What you said about a petition being started up ..YES that is a great idea..and at least its a start..I wonder if i can get one going on here to?? any help on that one please...and yes you are right being miserable never gets you anywhere...so i have a smile on my face...and the smile will get bigger as the fight gets stronger...

[saanen]

I would like to ask lankeela what is his definition of "normal society" as in his comment "it has to be done in a way that does not alienate them (animal campaigners) from normal society"? I bet he doesn't answer because he has not thought this statement through. In his world, "normal society" is a society in which animals are used and abused for the use or amusement of humans. In the world of the animal welfare campaigner, "normal society" would be one in which animals were afforded the right to live free from pain and suffering inflicted by humans. So, his views depend on his own view of what normal society means to him.

[lankeela]

Basically normal society is one that is not overrun with a load of nutters like we are getting on here. Read this now as the editor will no doubt remove this!

Don't be taken in by all this - it is more so called animal rights campaigners trying to pretend that they are naive and trying to take the rest of us in.


You don't fool me.

[Roco]

lankeela..What has upset you? people are not nutters because they care for animals..and these are facts that are written here and they are happening today..I care for the human race as well as animals...and all I am stating is no animal should be tortured in the way they are in China..they feel pain in exactly the same way as we do..this is a barbaric act and we in the western world can't do anything to stop it...As far as you thinking I am animal rights campaigner in disguise ..i am not...and if i was i wouldnt be sitting here typing about it ..i would be out there doing something about it....Please don't let this upset you..there is enough upsetment in the world that is far worse...I value you your opinions....

[CrazyWolfman]

Just a note to Lankeela, if you're refering to me with your last comment then I'd at least like to point out exactly where I stand. Firstly, there are many things regarding animal activists such as the PETA which I strongly dissagree with. I'm no idiot myself and am fully capable of making my own, well informed and thought out decisions and opinions, as I believe are just about all the other people who have contributed to this debate, yourself included. Thus I am not the kind of person who would metaphorically take anything 'hook, line and sinker', at least not easily. Furthermore it strikes me that you object to extremism in the sense of a deviation from existing social values. Why you are so angry at what has been said I fail to understand, as I feel I am yet to genuinely observe any such extremism here (we're not planning a Nazi takeover!). Activists are not necessarily extremists, myself included! (Though I won't argue with the whole being a nutter thing.)

On a slightly different note though, if it's any consolation regarding saanen's last comment, I personally do not agree with it and feel it was unneccessarily harsh. In my opinion your statement was clearly thought out as most people are either ignorant or opposed to what the activists stand for. These are therefore the people who activists should not try to alienate themselves from. After all, if they did then it's little better than Nazi fascism. To be successful they need to continually bear the needs of the people in mind, as well as those of the animals etc. otherwise they only spawn distain from the public, which is admittedly what has happened to a great many of these organisastions in the past, possibly explaining why you feel their actions are more akin to brainwashing than helping a moral public to decide what's right through use of education. They must win the support of the masses, rather than try to force them to see things the way they do.

[CrazyWolfman]

One last thing, I don't believe Roco is an extremist animal rights activist, intent on converting us all into , people like that wouldn't be preaching to the animal section of the answerbank, where many people already agree with much of what was said. Instead they would be harassing the scientists where they are liable to get more resistance and therefore a greater effect.

[Roco]

Crazy Wolfman...Once again you write with intelligence and wisdom and I reckon you could achieve a lot in life with your comments and your thinking..I find your comments give strength and you also have a great sensitivity to people and life..I wish more people were like you....
Yes you are correct in saying that i am not an animal activist..and yes that is correct ..i wouldnt be typing on here if i were..I only came across this site by accident and was feeling very low about the animals in china so i thought i would air my views to see what others think and what support could be given..and always hoping for an answer to the situation..but in reality know that would never happen..
All my life i have tried to help animals in my own small way..by not using products that are used on animals etc..also i have raised a lot of money in my youth by parachuting to save the seals..but that still happens today..
I rescue any distress animal wether it be a dog or a hedgehog...I have given talks also to rspca meetings..but this is as i say a small contribution and done at my own free will with nobody behind me...
As far as animal activists go ..i could be wrong but i dont think they have ever hurt a human they may have tormented many but nobody has been killed because of them...
Also I understand animal activists they see some horrific stuff and it has to effect you ...and not like me sitting here they go out and try to do something about it...I admire them for standing up and giving all their valuable time to speak for the innocence of animals...and lets face it the way the world is today with terrorists and the killing of innocent human beings....Animal activists are mild in comparison..
Thank you again Crazy Wolfman...please keep the comments coming...you give me strength...

[robotics]

Believe it or not this is happening all over the world, and I think it is sick


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[Roco]

robotics..Yes you are right ..and I can't believe we are going backwards instead of forward...What kind of people can do such things to animals..it tells you a lot how they would treat humans .....What i can't understand is how it is allowed to go on and nothing is done to stop it...It surely is a sickening world today...Thank you for your comments..