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How can people from any religion state that there"HOLY" book is correct and that there religion is true...
so to Christians, muslims will go to hell
to Muslims, christians will go to hell...etc
so what about bhuddists? are they destined to the so called great fires of Hell after preaching peace in our world? and what about the Jews? the Hindu people, the people who still nowadays live in jungles and have ancient traditions?
Is it just to say that they will go to Hell?
What about the people who lived long before islam and christianity, the people who used to worship spirits, who had numerous Gods, like the Romans for example??
Are they now in Hell? or in Heaven? or dead forever with nothing.
I personally think, that religion has always been a method and a tool used for people in need, or people in need of Hope, because noone knows what happens when we die, so there is a market there to capitalise on.
I strongly believe that in someway there is a creator of our world, but for religion, its based on books which has been edited many times over the past centuries, how can we believe in that? how can we believe in findings over the internet? how can we prove our findings? it is indeed impossible....
Could we be the God of this world? did we Create a God for our own benefit because we have become so advanced in our thinking that we need answers to impossible questions?
we can prove that God exists as much as we cannot prove it.
So the true answer to must simply be "I dont know"
if you would like to make a comment please feel free.
so to Christians, muslims will go to hell
to Muslims, christians will go to hell...etc
so what about bhuddists? are they destined to the so called great fires of Hell after preaching peace in our world? and what about the Jews? the Hindu people, the people who still nowadays live in jungles and have ancient traditions?
Is it just to say that they will go to Hell?
What about the people who lived long before islam and christianity, the people who used to worship spirits, who had numerous Gods, like the Romans for example??
Are they now in Hell? or in Heaven? or dead forever with nothing.
I personally think, that religion has always been a method and a tool used for people in need, or people in need of Hope, because noone knows what happens when we die, so there is a market there to capitalise on.
I strongly believe that in someway there is a creator of our world, but for religion, its based on books which has been edited many times over the past centuries, how can we believe in that? how can we believe in findings over the internet? how can we prove our findings? it is indeed impossible....
Could we be the God of this world? did we Create a God for our own benefit because we have become so advanced in our thinking that we need answers to impossible questions?
we can prove that God exists as much as we cannot prove it.
So the true answer to must simply be "I dont know"
if you would like to make a comment please feel free.
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I have similar views to yours 2dbeanbag, I am not particularly religious but do believe in God. As for the holy books of Christianity, Islam or Judaism and their messengers, well I have my doubts about that and all the miracles associated with them ...
(I do believe in life after death and I know there isn't any proof of this, but if you're going to be dead anyway, might as well be a little optimistic about it).
I see religion as a phase that everyone goes through : when you're young and vulnerable, its easier to believe in God, miracles etc but as you mature into adult life you become more of a realist and question everything and lose faith (or stop caring) to some extent. By the time you've grown old, your faith returns (in most cases) and acts as a sort of consolation for the remainder of time esp since you haven't really got anything to lose at that point.
Religion has given society morals and values afterall so it is not as bad as some people make it sound.
(I do believe in life after death and I know there isn't any proof of this, but if you're going to be dead anyway, might as well be a little optimistic about it).
I see religion as a phase that everyone goes through : when you're young and vulnerable, its easier to believe in God, miracles etc but as you mature into adult life you become more of a realist and question everything and lose faith (or stop caring) to some extent. By the time you've grown old, your faith returns (in most cases) and acts as a sort of consolation for the remainder of time esp since you haven't really got anything to lose at that point.
Religion has given society morals and values afterall so it is not as bad as some people make it sound.
When it comes to finding a definitive answer to the question, �Does a God (or do gods) exist?� you must first answer two other fundamental questions; �Just what is a god or �The God�?� and �How can we know anything with any degree of certainty?�
I will not attempt to answer the first of these prerequisite questions, �What/who is �God�?�, because there simply is no definitive answer to this question on which we all (or even a distinct majority) can agree. I will, however, offer an explanation as to why this is so: The simplest answer of course is that �God� whatever, does not exist. But the simplest answer is not always, if rarely, satisfactorily complete or even entirely true upon thorough examination and evaluation. The fact is that the term �God� does exist and since we are often confronted with this term and a host of distortions of reality that follow from and rely on the validity of that �concept�, many of which must be given consideration when determining how we are to live our life as well as the meaning of life itself, such as, �life after death�, �heaven and hell�, right and wrong and the source of all knowledge and understanding, we need an answer that refutes the existence of �God� both for ourselves and to defend ourselves from those who, for whatever their intentions and purposes, propose this �concept� to us.
Your ability to refute the existence of �God� and defend yourself from the Pandora�s Box of prescribed beliefs that accompany it, depends on your understanding of what knowledge is, how we obtain and verify it and how we achieve certainty in what each of us ultimately decides to believe is real.
cont . . .
I will not attempt to answer the first of these prerequisite questions, �What/who is �God�?�, because there simply is no definitive answer to this question on which we all (or even a distinct majority) can agree. I will, however, offer an explanation as to why this is so: The simplest answer of course is that �God� whatever, does not exist. But the simplest answer is not always, if rarely, satisfactorily complete or even entirely true upon thorough examination and evaluation. The fact is that the term �God� does exist and since we are often confronted with this term and a host of distortions of reality that follow from and rely on the validity of that �concept�, many of which must be given consideration when determining how we are to live our life as well as the meaning of life itself, such as, �life after death�, �heaven and hell�, right and wrong and the source of all knowledge and understanding, we need an answer that refutes the existence of �God� both for ourselves and to defend ourselves from those who, for whatever their intentions and purposes, propose this �concept� to us.
Your ability to refute the existence of �God� and defend yourself from the Pandora�s Box of prescribed beliefs that accompany it, depends on your understanding of what knowledge is, how we obtain and verify it and how we achieve certainty in what each of us ultimately decides to believe is real.
cont . . .
Knowledge is an accumulation of facts about the existence and nature of reality. Reality begins out there, in the world that behaves according to laws and principles that are not directly respondent to our wishes, hopes and fears. Reality must be altered through actions that should follow a rational process of consideration about their consequences.
The only link we have to reality is the evidence we perceive from the world through our senses. Through differentiation and integration we develop concepts about the evidence provided through perception. These basic concepts are the building blocks upon which all that we know must be derived through a process of reasoned evaluation of the relationships these basic concepts share with each other and by further differentiating and integrating those basic concepts into larger and more complex concepts until we are finally able to form a basic understanding of ourselves and our relationship to the world we live in.
When we begin drawing conclusions that bypass this perceptually based process of concept formation we leave the realm of what we are able to know with any degree of certainty and enter the arena of wishful �thinking�. The imagination is an important tool for speculating about and considering what we might be able to do within the framework of reality. However, when we allow the products of our imagination to run wild and disregard the difference between what is and what could never be we mentally detach ourselves from the evidence that reality provides perceptually and create a fantasy world that dissociates us from an understanding of (but not from the consequences of) reality.
cont . . .
The only link we have to reality is the evidence we perceive from the world through our senses. Through differentiation and integration we develop concepts about the evidence provided through perception. These basic concepts are the building blocks upon which all that we know must be derived through a process of reasoned evaluation of the relationships these basic concepts share with each other and by further differentiating and integrating those basic concepts into larger and more complex concepts until we are finally able to form a basic understanding of ourselves and our relationship to the world we live in.
When we begin drawing conclusions that bypass this perceptually based process of concept formation we leave the realm of what we are able to know with any degree of certainty and enter the arena of wishful �thinking�. The imagination is an important tool for speculating about and considering what we might be able to do within the framework of reality. However, when we allow the products of our imagination to run wild and disregard the difference between what is and what could never be we mentally detach ourselves from the evidence that reality provides perceptually and create a fantasy world that dissociates us from an understanding of (but not from the consequences of) reality.
cont . . .
In order to believe in �God� you must first throw out all the evidence provided by the five senses you do have (and you might as well throw yourself out the window along with them). Once liberated from the constraints upon reason demanded by the absolute nature of reality, you will be free to believe anything, as you wish; but do not expect reality to conform to your self-imposed delusions. Unfortunately, in regards to the human race, the species that evolved through, is defined by and whose survival depends on reason, reality is reshaped by the actions of both those who allow others to impose their delusions on them as well as those who�s actions are influenced by there inability to refute them.
For anyone interested in a discussion about what knowledge is, how one can achieve certainty and the process of concept formation, I highly recommend reading and assimilating books on philosophy that promote human existence, survival, progress and happiness here on Earth, such as, �Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand� by Leonard Peikoff.
In a world where the prescription has largely been to devote human endeavors to undermining, denigrating and ultimately eliminating human understanding and existence, there is certainly sufficient evidence that this may be possible if not already nearly achieved. We can no longer afford to wait on Toto to ripe open the curtain and reveal the hidden aspiration of most religions, to selectively obscure the meaning of life with their own version of The Wizard of Oz and thereby create for them their idyllic dream world of unconscious awareness, physically unrestrained by the absolute of reality.
For anyone interested in a discussion about what knowledge is, how one can achieve certainty and the process of concept formation, I highly recommend reading and assimilating books on philosophy that promote human existence, survival, progress and happiness here on Earth, such as, �Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand� by Leonard Peikoff.
In a world where the prescription has largely been to devote human endeavors to undermining, denigrating and ultimately eliminating human understanding and existence, there is certainly sufficient evidence that this may be possible if not already nearly achieved. We can no longer afford to wait on Toto to ripe open the curtain and reveal the hidden aspiration of most religions, to selectively obscure the meaning of life with their own version of The Wizard of Oz and thereby create for them their idyllic dream world of unconscious awareness, physically unrestrained by the absolute of reality.
Gobbledygook. Why use 10 words when you can use 10,000 eh?
You have people that believe that god exists and people that don�t. Simple. Evidence will always be subjective hence it is based on a foundation of belief, not necessarily hard based evidence. People just want to believe, whether they believe or don�t believe is a matter of personal opinion. No proof will ever change that. Ancient Egyptians believed that their Pharaohs were gods on earth.
If you don�t believe then fair enough, but if you really feel the need to paraphrase psycho-babble in your search for proof of non-existence, then keep looking. Perhaps one day you will find God. Perhaps it may even be the last thing you do.
In asnwer to the ORIGINAL question. No we may never know, half the world will be right and half wil be wrong. I guess we will all just end up where want to, whether that is in an afterlife, next life or just pushing up daisies.
You have people that believe that god exists and people that don�t. Simple. Evidence will always be subjective hence it is based on a foundation of belief, not necessarily hard based evidence. People just want to believe, whether they believe or don�t believe is a matter of personal opinion. No proof will ever change that. Ancient Egyptians believed that their Pharaohs were gods on earth.
If you don�t believe then fair enough, but if you really feel the need to paraphrase psycho-babble in your search for proof of non-existence, then keep looking. Perhaps one day you will find God. Perhaps it may even be the last thing you do.
In asnwer to the ORIGINAL question. No we may never know, half the world will be right and half wil be wrong. I guess we will all just end up where want to, whether that is in an afterlife, next life or just pushing up daisies.
One moment of comprehension discredits an eternity of delusion.
The declaration that the human mind does not possess the ability to obtain certain knowledge is itself a assertion of fact (although contradictory and therefore erroneous). Such claims have only one purpose, to elevate unfounded beliefs to the status of observed and verified knowledge. Any claim that knowledge is unobtainable should only be attributed to the self-incriminating claimant.
The declaration that the human mind does not possess the ability to obtain certain knowledge is itself a assertion of fact (although contradictory and therefore erroneous). Such claims have only one purpose, to elevate unfounded beliefs to the status of observed and verified knowledge. Any claim that knowledge is unobtainable should only be attributed to the self-incriminating claimant.
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