production of driving docs

[fahey2512]

on a police stop form for producing doucments ie driving licence insurance .if the officer dosnt fill the bit in where it says station to be produced at what are u supposed to do.will that make the form invalid because the officer has failed to fill the form out propley.

[Ethel]

Take it to your nearest police station, along with the forms you are required to produce.

[fahey2512]

yes lets just say you wernt insured which iam.if it went to court could you argue that you didnt no where to go.

[Yorkie580]

The magistrate may well ask you what you did to find out where to go.

If you didn't have insurance then that would be the more serious offence anyway.

[Law Man1856]

Hi fahey,

The production of documents is a requirement of your release by the officer from the road check. He could have taken you to the station and checked the details, but this would waste a lot of police time so you are required to produce the relevant documents. For your convenience the police station should be agreed at the time of the stop. ie if you live in durham and stopped in Birmingham then it would be better to produce in Durham; therefore giving flexibilty. If the station is left blank then you still have the same choice of where to produce.

The majority of insurers are now linked directly to the police data base and a road side check will find out instantly if the vehicle is insured and who can drive it.

Generally the officer will have checked your vehicle before the stop.

BIG BROTHER??

[fahey2512]

yes but isnt it the officers duty to correctley issue these forms.if i played it that i was very stupid.if he carnt be arsed doing his job propley.just want to get one back if you know what i mean.

[pauln90]

If you ignore the producer then after the period given to produce has expired you will be summoned for either not having or failing to produce whatever documents the officer requested.

So it will not go away by pretending ignorance.

as the saying goes "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

[kempie]

Would you prefer that the officer had completed the form with the address of a Police Station which was not local to your home address, or leave you with the choice to produce your documents at whichever station you deem most convenient?

You're on a total non-starter with this one.

[fahey2512]

thanks anyway god loves a tryer

[Barmaid]

I agree wholeheartedly with everyone above. The docs should be produced. It does raise an interesting point though. How will the prosecution prove this at trial? When I used to prosecute these the normal evidence would be from the officer who issued the HORT/1 and a statement from the station clerk at the nominated station saying "I have checked all the records of documents produced at this station between x and y and can confirm that Mr ABC has not produced his documents". Which station officer will they call?! And it is for the crown to prove that the docs were not produced, not for the defendant to prove they were. That said, I wouldn't risk the fact that everything is computerised and they could probably check at EVERY station.

[Yorkie580]

There is sometimes an issue checking the PNC Insurance database... if you're driving soembody else's car using your own plicy of insurance it won't show up.

The insurance database is searched against the vehicle not the driver so if you're not a named driver or the policy holder for that vehicle it won't show you as being insured.

Produce your documents and that will be the end of it, rather than wasting time at court. The station that's shown on the HO/RT1 form is purley the intended station anyway. If the form says produce at station x you can still produce at station y anyway.

[fahey2512]

thanks anyway i prouduced today once again not a prolbem.

[devilhunter]

In my experience a producer does not always result in a summons if its ignored.
First I am always fully legal and always have been but back in the 90,s when I was into custom car showing and cruising I would get them on a regular basis (every weekend) and after a while I just stopped producing my documents.
I only had a single comeback in over a year (I just said I forgot to show them within the 7 day time slot).
I know its not right but its just my pennies worth.

[Grunty]

If the police wanted to be pedantic, an offence is committed by the driver failing to nominate a police station. No action would ever be taken though, because the officer would show up his mistake in not asking.

(8) In proceedings against any person for the offence of failing to produce a licence it shall be a defence for him to show that�
(a) within seven days after the production of his licence was required he produced it in person at a police station that was specified by him at the time its production was required, or
(b) he produced it in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable, or
(c) it was not reasonably practicable for him to produce it there before the day on which the proceedings were commenced,