Spectator 1795

[kettledrum]

36a .......turned up and behaved riotously (6) SO-TE_ . sorted? sotted?
This clue follows on from 35a Further, amateur orchestra...... ALSO

[kayakamina]

It doesn't fit your letters but Looted ? Too<< in Led ?

[ulysses100]

kettledrum,
I've sent this off already and I think that I had "routed"

[Quizmonkey]

Rooted surely? (double definition)

[ulysses100]

Routed is also a double definition;
rout vt (of a pig) to grub up;to turn up, to turn out
rout vi to behave riotously

[kettledrum]

Thank you everyone: I'll have another look at it later. My S from from an unclued bit of 'mail'. I'd guessed at jambes; maybe that's something different.
Tearing round like a mad thing today - may not get back to you all until late this evening, but I shall be grateful even if I don't say so until 10 hours hence!

[kettledrum]

Could be jamber - that would fit in with rooted / routed.
Thank you all very much for your helpful suggestions.

[crofter]

kettledrum I'm coming back to you (as promised) on the question of CIRCE. I have been some of the comments on AB and i agree with you that Circe does not meet the clue (and is too simplistic for the setter).

By the way, I haven't yet sent off this Quiz - so some of my earlier comments are not quite true!

Recently, I concocted a case for support for TEMPE which I passed on to burgess. He has placed the facts on AB.
The case is based on TEMPLE (London Royal Courts) which is on the Circle Line! Remove the L and you end up with TEMPE. There is a Vale of Tempe in Greece.
Problem: I cannot find a shepherdess called Tempe!

I would have thought that Google should easily pick this out - IF IT IS TRUE.

Your thoughts on this would be most welcome.

[kettledrum]

Thanks for coming back to me on that Crofter. I can't immediately think of any shepherdess, but I do like the idea of Temple tube station & the Inner & Middle Temples being 2 of the Inns of Court.
Am a bit tied up at the moment but will give it some further thought. I was so intrigued by this quiz that I actually sent for it - and much to my chagrin can't do "only begotten and second sons....etc" either. Any hints?
Can you give me the link for burgess's discussion of the shepherdess?

[crofter]

The debate to which I refer is given at the following link:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puz zles/Question337838.html

I believe that you were part of the early debate, but burgess comes in at the end with Tempe!

As for your impasse on the "sons" clue - surprisingly, the answer is a girl's name. Ask yourself the two parts of the clue separately. Who is the "only begotten son"?
And who is the "second son"?
I think that you may easily solve this clue now! I hope so!

I believe that this quiz is second only to the Rainbow quizzes....... I often score 100% on Rainbow quizzes, but NEVER on these Marshall quizzes! Hence Tempe must be sorted!

[kettledrum]

Thanks Crofter. I've repeated much of what I've said to you on the original thread. We'll take it from there.
Hint not helpful at the moment but I dare say it will come to me when I've got time to think!

[kettledrum]

Correction! Hint very helpful. It had (obviously) passed across my horizon but not being a poem I had heard of I gave the name no further thought. So we're now just stuck on the shepherdess.

[crofter]

I'm going to explore the Phoebe/Phebe link

[kettledrum]

I found geo's quote. Did you? A bit tenuous - wanted to read it in the original german to see if anything had been lost in translation. Hirtin = herdswoman - genarally assumed to be a shepherdess.....Schweinehirtin = swineherdess - a perfectly normal word in german but I suspect the translator may have used shepherdess instead of herdwoman......It also referred to her as a prostitute.!!! Do you know ( why should you ? ) any decent german search engines? There doesn't appear to be a google.co.de
Additionally complicated by the fact that Circe translates as Kirke ( or Tsirse) into german and I got bogged with lots of stuff about churches and shepherdesses!

[crofter]

The step from Circle to Circe is just too small to be acceptable for this setter - he's too devious for that!

I have always scored less than 100% on his quizzes, whereas I have reached the perfect score on half a dozen occasions on the Rainbow quizzes!

I have learned to be wary of Dr Marshall and if I have any doubts over a solution, then it's probably WRONG!

[kettledrum]

I agree with you but geo having taken the trouble it behoves me (us) to check it out.

We've still got plenty of time and I will let you know if I have any further thoughts.

On another matter - I thought I had a relatively unencumbered Saturday this weekend and was imagining myself lurking in the shrubbery along with every else who has designs on your trophy, but an elderly aunt (who normally lives in Leicestershire) fell & broke her hip in London. While she's in hospital there I am wondering if I ought to go to London and take my 95 yr old mother-in-law to see her sister-in-law. They haven't seen each other for over 4 years and it is prob their last opportunity.

So I shall probably be registering my choices late, as usual! Actually. I play a little private game with myself trying to find 4 unique possibilities after every one else has had a go.

[crofter]

I admire your singlemindedness, but by the time you lodge your predictions at least three answers have already been spotted. You could concentrate only on picking your words from what's gone before!

[kettledrum]

I could, but there's no fun in that !

[crofter]

I shall view your entries in a different light from now on!