dt gk 24.02

[juanmike]

8d. OK all you bright ones who finished at breakfast, is it Monet or Manet, then I can finish too!

[bridgenut]

I put Monet , and it was dinnertime when I finished

[juanmike]

Thanks Bridgenut! I am sure crossword compilers love Monet and Manet equally. I can go and have a glass of wine now, just like the painters!

[Johnrgb]

Sorry this is so late. I believe Manet, much the older of the two, is generally recognised as th founder of the movement.

[juanmike]

Thanks Johnrgb, I looked them both up and saw that Manet was older, but still went with Monet. What a sneaky question! I think, on reflection, that you are right, too late now, posted answers this morning!

[lector]

the clue is meticulous in stating ... �Initiator, leader ....�

the answer must be (Edouard) Manet

http://www.normandy-tapestry.com/french_art_po sters/Manet_Edouard.htm

By 1874 Manet's reputation as experimental artist and leader of the Impressionists was firmly established. The Cafe Guerbois, near his studio became the gathering spot for Monet, Renoir, Sisley and Degas and although Manet presided over the regular meeting and debates held at the cafe, he was not enthusiastic about his role as leader of the avant-garde.

[slaney]

I think the general view is that whereas Manet was the forerunner of Impressionism , Monet was the true initiator.

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/monet/

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebO bjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/artistBi ography?artistID=421

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebO bjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/artistBi ography?artistID=497

We'll have to wait until Saturday !

[juanmike]

Thanks to Lector and Slaney, I think the whole fiendishness of this question is that it is a matter of personal opinion. Sure, Manet was the older of the two, but was he really the originator of impressionism? Monet picked it up and ran with it, and I think was the better artist, but does that make him the originator? probably not, in which case I have put the wrong answer. I think art historians can argue for ever on this. As you say, we will find out on Saturday!