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Sacked rail guard
Is this another case of the bizarre justice in this country?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/0 8/21/rail-guard-sacked-for-standing-up-to-yob- 89520-19665621/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/0 8/21/rail-guard-sacked-for-standing-up-to-yob- 89520-19665621/
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Well it does seem as if the ever more scarce "common" sense has gone out of the window.
So roughly translated we must let all manner of yobs do what they like and must not challenge them in any way or our gutless liliy livered employers will dish out the sack. Failing that some HR lawyer will take on the case and secure huge compensation for HR "abuses". Failing that some jobsworth copper trying to prove his "right on " liberal credentials will arrest the evil guard and prosecute for assault.
People I give you modern Britain on the brink of anarchy.
So roughly translated we must let all manner of yobs do what they like and must not challenge them in any way or our gutless liliy livered employers will dish out the sack. Failing that some HR lawyer will take on the case and secure huge compensation for HR "abuses". Failing that some jobsworth copper trying to prove his "right on " liberal credentials will arrest the evil guard and prosecute for assault.
People I give you modern Britain on the brink of anarchy.
I'm a Train driver, and i find this appalling.
The problem you have tho is, that all guards are trained in conflict avoidance, so even if they are provoked or even assaulted, they must not react.
This will be the train bosses defence in sacking the guard.
I'm not conflict avoidance trained as my company feel that Train drivers do not come into contact with the public, Hmmm.
Yob culture has always been a problem on trains, it smacks in the face that train companies are telling staff and customers alike that ''your safety comes first and foremost''.
Lets hope the union push for industrial action, i'm not saying that the guard should of headbutted him, but we all have a trigger point, and what with ex-amount of witnesses hopefully he will be reinstated.
The problem you have tho is, that all guards are trained in conflict avoidance, so even if they are provoked or even assaulted, they must not react.
This will be the train bosses defence in sacking the guard.
I'm not conflict avoidance trained as my company feel that Train drivers do not come into contact with the public, Hmmm.
Yob culture has always been a problem on trains, it smacks in the face that train companies are telling staff and customers alike that ''your safety comes first and foremost''.
Lets hope the union push for industrial action, i'm not saying that the guard should of headbutted him, but we all have a trigger point, and what with ex-amount of witnesses hopefully he will be reinstated.
I read the whole story and it looks like he lost his rag and gave him a right good headbutt.
All this nonsense about "As Paul got up, their heads collided" just means that The Mirror thinks we're idiots.
It's a shame he's lost his job over it...if it were a member of the public who tackled...actually, why didn't anyone else there do something?
Why is it always someone else? People complain about yob culture, but time and again...people just ignore it.
I've once got into a big fight with a bunch of yobs on a nightbus.
No-one stepped in, but by God, I bet they complained their heads off when they got home....
All this nonsense about "As Paul got up, their heads collided" just means that The Mirror thinks we're idiots.
It's a shame he's lost his job over it...if it were a member of the public who tackled...actually, why didn't anyone else there do something?
Why is it always someone else? People complain about yob culture, but time and again...people just ignore it.
I've once got into a big fight with a bunch of yobs on a nightbus.
No-one stepped in, but by God, I bet they complained their heads off when they got home....
Like Laurence, i'm a train driver, but on the Underground, 'One' is actually the line I use to go to work,
if the industrial action spreads to the Underground, i'll definately be out in support of this chap, doesn't matter if he head butted this person or it was an accident, by standing up to him. he was protecting the his passengers.
Highly commendable.
if the industrial action spreads to the Underground, i'll definately be out in support of this chap, doesn't matter if he head butted this person or it was an accident, by standing up to him. he was protecting the his passengers.
Highly commendable.
sp1814, perhaps the reasons no one stepped in is because of the reasons Loosehead so succinctly pointed out.
I beleive I have warned before on here monts ago and I'll say it again. We are not far from the people taking back the country and that will not be a pretty sight. Remember the peadeatricians !
May our Gods protect us all (Except the bleeding heart liberals that caused this mess)
I beleive I have warned before on here monts ago and I'll say it again. We are not far from the people taking back the country and that will not be a pretty sight. Remember the peadeatricians !
May our Gods protect us all (Except the bleeding heart liberals that caused this mess)
Laurence
Interesting point about conflict avoidance. It possibly explains the reason, albeit flawed, behind the sacking. I consider it flawed because I think the guard has a good case of self defence. A violent and aggressive man, armed with a broom handle,who has already grabbed hold of one rail employee knocks the guard to the ground. He had every right to fear that he may suffer serious injury and was justified in striking back, whatever the method. These people who come out with their fancy theories annoy me. They may work sometimes but there are occasions when you have to meet force with force. The only way he could have avoided conflict was to run away.
I wonder, sp, how much of a 'right good headbutt'
it was. There is no mention of the yob being injured and the police haven't charged him with assault. I'm sure the guards' employers would have pushed for this in order to strenghthen their case.
Lonnie, sorry about this weak humour but I have a vision of you driving your train happily singing Rock Island Line.
Btw did you know his son Peter has a band that perform his old hits. They're very good.
Interesting point about conflict avoidance. It possibly explains the reason, albeit flawed, behind the sacking. I consider it flawed because I think the guard has a good case of self defence. A violent and aggressive man, armed with a broom handle,who has already grabbed hold of one rail employee knocks the guard to the ground. He had every right to fear that he may suffer serious injury and was justified in striking back, whatever the method. These people who come out with their fancy theories annoy me. They may work sometimes but there are occasions when you have to meet force with force. The only way he could have avoided conflict was to run away.
I wonder, sp, how much of a 'right good headbutt'
it was. There is no mention of the yob being injured and the police haven't charged him with assault. I'm sure the guards' employers would have pushed for this in order to strenghthen their case.
Lonnie, sorry about this weak humour but I have a vision of you driving your train happily singing Rock Island Line.
Btw did you know his son Peter has a band that perform his old hits. They're very good.
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