Joseph of Arimathea

[paulos66]

Is there any possibility that Joseph of Arimathea and Mary's husband Joseph were the same person?

[paulos66]

China, amazingly I had to google Awdry, amazingly as I get assaulted with a Thomas pop-up book the very second I get in from work every day.
Now just where is that fat controller

[4GS]

You have your views chakka, I have mine, lets leave it at that eh?

[China Doll]

My cousin used to be a big fan.

He's now 23 I think and would be delighted that I'm quoting him in my knowledge of Thomas.

[China Doll]

William - 80 still seems quite old to me.

I just tried to look up the mortality rate and I'm rubbish at that kind of search but I still think it seems high.

I don't suppose anyone just happens to know the mortality rates off the top of their head?

[paulos66]

China, just between me and you I'm a bit lost myself now but as I'll get my fill of Thomas tonight...
In summary it looks like it is possible he could be marys main squeeze but more likely that he was her uncle and even more likely that he was no relative at all

[China Doll]

Is that Thomas, Joseph or the Fat Controller?

I'm lost.

[Octavius]

Of course it is conjecture, and we can thank chakka for pointing out our oversight in that respect. As I see it we have several adjoining issues in this thread:

1. That Joe of A was Joe of N
2. That Joe of A was not Joe of N
3. That Mary had a fling with a man called Joe of N (or A) after God of course
4. That Mary possibly had a fling with her uncle who may or may not have been called Joe of N (or A) who was about 45 when she was 12 and died at 86
5. The mortality rates of the 1st century Jewish populace (rich or poor)
6. Thomas the Tank Engine, was more entertaining than Gordon and whether the Fat Controller was indeed, fat
7. What variety of fruit Cinderella used for taking a ride (poss. Pumpkin of the cucurbita genus)
8. That China Doll is lost, probably somewhere in the sidings at Tidmouth

In fact CD - although chakka will probably refer to this as a figment of my inevitable procrastination towards accepting that Snow White lived in sin with 7 very short men - Josephus (not N or A) explained longevity far better than I ever could in his �Antiquities� I:5:104-108�.

���..God afforded them a longer time of life on account of their virtue and the good use they made of it in astronomical and geometrical discoveries, which would not have afforded the time of foretelling unless they had lived six hundred years��.�

[Gromit]

"...would make him about 41 years old in 1AD and about 78 years old at the crucifixion."

Am I missing something in the above statement. Wasn't 1AD one year after the crucifixion?

And there are people living a very long time in the bible.

[Octavius]

erm.....no

and ....yes

[4GS]

Jesus was crucified on 7th April 30AD, He was dead by 3PM when there was a clap of thunder and an earth tremor

[Gromit]

Ping...

got you!

[China Doll]

Octavius... Possibly some of your best work, well in so far as I spluttered coffee on the desk reading it. Always attractive.

Postings from 15:08 onwards have got me searching for a map of the Tidmouth area.

[jake-the-peg]

86 is a good age but it's not all that unlikely.

Remember when we talk about low life expectancy in historical terms the figures are skewed by appaling figures for deaths under 5 and deaths in childbirth.

If you survived to adulthood and (if female) past childbirth you could often live quite a long time.

Remember the old testament quotes man does live but three score years and ten - so living to 70 sounds like an expected age for an old timer.

[chakka35]

Fair enough, 4GS , except that you do not express your own views but those of a dishonest author. The fact that you have just repeated the time of Jesus' death exactly as Thiede comically pronounced it, despite my rubbishing of his book (every item of my criticism being something you could check if you wished), shows that you not a real seeker of the truth. As I have said before you really should do some objective reading of your own.
Never mind, I won't mention you again.

[jno]

Methuselah died at the age of 969, having been born in 3317 BC (when Adam was still alive) and died in 2348 BC, the time of Noah's flood. So 80 years is nothing much in biblical terms. I'm not sure if they used the same calendar then, but I imagine it had nice pictures of the Garden of Eden each month.