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Dr James Watson a racist?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=488026&in_page_i d=1770
Should not this very learned man be allowed to have an opinion, without him being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commision?
Dr James Watson's remarks were discussed on a phone-in on LBC radio this morning. It soon became apparent that those Black persons who phoned in were vey angry. But they did nothing to support their arguments, because they had not researched the matter, so therefore came across a little silly to put it mildly.
The radio shows presenter asked one caller to name a Black person that had famously invented anything. He replied that there were many things that were invented by Blacks. When encouraged to name any, the person repeated that there were many but he could not name them, only that their ideas had been stolen by the White Man.
Another caller seemed convinced that the the electric light bulb was invented by a Black man, who he couldn't name. When the presenter told him that it was invented by Thomas Edison, the caller called the presenter a liar.
Should not this very learned man be allowed to have an opinion, without him being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commision?
Dr James Watson's remarks were discussed on a phone-in on LBC radio this morning. It soon became apparent that those Black persons who phoned in were vey angry. But they did nothing to support their arguments, because they had not researched the matter, so therefore came across a little silly to put it mildly.
The radio shows presenter asked one caller to name a Black person that had famously invented anything. He replied that there were many things that were invented by Blacks. When encouraged to name any, the person repeated that there were many but he could not name them, only that their ideas had been stolen by the White Man.
Another caller seemed convinced that the the electric light bulb was invented by a Black man, who he couldn't name. When the presenter told him that it was invented by Thomas Edison, the caller called the presenter a liar.
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Dr Watson now has apologised unreservedly and dissassociated himself from the views that were attributed to him saying there is 'no scientific basis' to them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/18 /nobel.apology/index.html
I presume to trust we're all equally glad about this.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/18 /nobel.apology/index.html
I presume to trust we're all equally glad about this.
Nowhere can I find proof that you agreeing that Dr Watson (please give him he courtesy of using his title at least). You did if fact compare him in a sarcastic manner to David Irving I wasn't disputing that he Watson is learned. In fact, I was agreeing that he was.
- What I found amusing was the suggestion that his learnedness and research should indemnify him from investigation. Just because he's done some research, it doesn't mean he's objective. Does it? Should the commission defer to him because he's a doctor?
- That's why I gave the example of David Irving. A man who, if anything, has gone out of his way to use his reseach is the least objective way possible - as evidenced by his links with the NSDAP in Germany (a Neo-nazi party). Should he be safe from scrutiny too because he's spent his life looking for evidence to support a pre-conceived argument, whereas the rest of us haven't?
- Jehovah's Witnesses spend their lives constructing arguments that support their beliefs. That's why when they knock on your door, they have an answer for everything. Should we accept what they say and leave any debate to theologians who have spent as much time on it as them?
- AOG, please discuss whatever you like. I've just noticed an angle to your postings, that's all. You're fixated with race. Whatever keeps you ticking along, though, buddy.
NJOK
First let me opologize for my previous post, enough to say that somehow it was submitted before I had completely edited it. The following is how it should hve read.
Nowhere can I find proof that you agreed that Dr Watson (please give him he courtesy of using his title at least). was a very learned man. You did if fact compare him in a sarcastic manner to David Irving, "a very learned man".
What I found amusing was the suggestion that his learnedness and research should indemnify him from investigation.
Should the commission defer to him because he's a doctor?
INVESTIGATION, THE COMMISION, banned from making his lectures, Jehovah's Witness bashing. This is all reminiscent of Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia.
I have no fixation with race, what I do enjoy is having the freedom to discuss it, and also having an outlet such as AB on which to debate it. It is becoming increasingly more difficult in this age of Political Correctness, to even mention anything that has a racial content.
First let me opologize for my previous post, enough to say that somehow it was submitted before I had completely edited it. The following is how it should hve read.
Nowhere can I find proof that you agreed that Dr Watson (please give him he courtesy of using his title at least). was a very learned man. You did if fact compare him in a sarcastic manner to David Irving, "a very learned man".
What I found amusing was the suggestion that his learnedness and research should indemnify him from investigation.
Should the commission defer to him because he's a doctor?
INVESTIGATION, THE COMMISION, banned from making his lectures, Jehovah's Witness bashing. This is all reminiscent of Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia.
I have no fixation with race, what I do enjoy is having the freedom to discuss it, and also having an outlet such as AB on which to debate it. It is becoming increasingly more difficult in this age of Political Correctness, to even mention anything that has a racial content.
I think too many people have fallen upon what Watson has said with delight - no matter whether they agree with them or not.
Watson' greatest mistake in my mind was putting forward a controversial theory without supplying any evidence. Whether or not such evidence exists is debatable.
Not so long ago an American scientist compiled certain IQ tests and discovered or believed that white and black people tend to have different kinds of intelligence, neither type superior to the other.
As blacks and whites differ physically, is it really beyond the realms of possibility that the brains differ too?
Before anyone jumps off their seat and proclaims "racist", stop and think a moment. It's been found that men and women have different brains generally. No gender has the monopoly on intelligence - they simply have different spheres of intelligence.
It's not exactly control conditions but how about the recent IQ tests in Britain which showed that Indians did better than indigenous Brits? As one who falls into the latter party, I'm not insulted or worried. I don't scream "racism" at the results. I find it intriguing. I'm sure it doesn't mean that every Indian is brighter than every European, it just indicates a general trend.
I wonder if Watson would be the subject of such venom, such censure, if he'd proclaimed the belief that Indians are cleverer than whites, or that blacks are cleverer than whites?
I doubt it.
Doubt it.
Watson' greatest mistake in my mind was putting forward a controversial theory without supplying any evidence. Whether or not such evidence exists is debatable.
Not so long ago an American scientist compiled certain IQ tests and discovered or believed that white and black people tend to have different kinds of intelligence, neither type superior to the other.
As blacks and whites differ physically, is it really beyond the realms of possibility that the brains differ too?
Before anyone jumps off their seat and proclaims "racist", stop and think a moment. It's been found that men and women have different brains generally. No gender has the monopoly on intelligence - they simply have different spheres of intelligence.
It's not exactly control conditions but how about the recent IQ tests in Britain which showed that Indians did better than indigenous Brits? As one who falls into the latter party, I'm not insulted or worried. I don't scream "racism" at the results. I find it intriguing. I'm sure it doesn't mean that every Indian is brighter than every European, it just indicates a general trend.
I wonder if Watson would be the subject of such venom, such censure, if he'd proclaimed the belief that Indians are cleverer than whites, or that blacks are cleverer than whites?
I doubt it.
Doubt it.
Actually, I've just read the Daily Mail's piece. Get this:
He has courted controversy in the past, reportedly saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual.
Wow!
What a nice fella.
I bet Santa's bag is brimful of treats for him every Christmas.
He has courted controversy in the past, reportedly saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual.
Wow!
What a nice fella.
I bet Santa's bag is brimful of treats for him every Christmas.
For Splat
http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/ article3081820.ece
He's a bright spark but his opinions need work.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/ article3081820.ece
He's a bright spark but his opinions need work.
CD
Thanks for the link.
Just been reading it now.
Great quite:
"A leading physician of the antebellum South, Samuel A Cartwright, even diagnosed runaway slaves as suffering from a mental illness, drapetomia, the onset of which revealed itself in their being "sulky and dissatisfied" � unsurprising sentiments in a slave, you might think."
Thanks for the link.
Just been reading it now.
Great quite:
"A leading physician of the antebellum South, Samuel A Cartwright, even diagnosed runaway slaves as suffering from a mental illness, drapetomia, the onset of which revealed itself in their being "sulky and dissatisfied" � unsurprising sentiments in a slave, you might think."
History shows us that people of European origin are the most violent. They invented the transatlantic slave trade, colonialism, racism, holocaust, etc, besides their long history of killing each other in the name of religion. In several African countries, Moslems and christians co-existed but in Europe christians were at each other because one is Catholic and the other is protestant/reformist (what ever they called each other). Europeans migrated to the Americas, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and became the majority after a successful slaughter of the native people. They developed based on violence perpetuated on others and not because of their IQ. The majority of Europeans were protected from the pain, violence, and suffering they caused on Africa, because it was perpetuated by (proxies) their slave traders, colonialists, mercenaries, and while the remaining population was benefiting from the wealth looted from Africa and others. The development of Africa is halted by the day to day massacre perpetuated across generation through slavery, colonialism, and what not. And Europeans benefited from the trans-Atlantic slavery, colonialism, and racism.
It is pathetic that Dr James Watson considers himself from the race with high IQ. I am sorry for his deep rooted insecurity, despite his success. Religion, faith, sociology, economics, medicine, law, every available human device has been used to advance the interest of certain groups�in this case race. Dr James Watson is not the first and I do not think he will be the last.
It is pathetic that Dr James Watson considers himself from the race with high IQ. I am sorry for his deep rooted insecurity, despite his success. Religion, faith, sociology, economics, medicine, law, every available human device has been used to advance the interest of certain groups�in this case race. Dr James Watson is not the first and I do not think he will be the last.
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