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So long as they are White people?
After the love fest answers to naomi's question below (and one of those VERY rare moments when everyone agrees), are people guilty of wanting free speech for Irwin & Griffin but not for people like Abu Hamza or the Muslim anti Danish protesters?
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I don't think so Vic. There are laws in place to prevent incitement of racial and religious hatred ( and indeed holocause denial in some countries).
I'm quite happy for Hamza, Griffin or whoever else to talk whatever crap they like as long as they are punished if they break those laws. You don't get immunity from the law just because you're debating at the Oxford union.
I'm quite happy for Hamza, Griffin or whoever else to talk whatever crap they like as long as they are punished if they break those laws. You don't get immunity from the law just because you're debating at the Oxford union.
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The problem with the BNP is that they are an acknowledged white supremecist movement.
You are not allowed to join the BNP unless you are from nothern European stock.
White supremacists don't have the most of pleasant histories.
They rarely campaign peacefully. They're extremely good at intimidation though.
You are not allowed to join the BNP unless you are from nothern European stock.
White supremacists don't have the most of pleasant histories.
They rarely campaign peacefully. They're extremely good at intimidation though.
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Lastest update of the FAQ (updated 12 Mar 2007) on the BNP.org web site answers your question in typical simple terms:
"vi. Why don't you let blacks and Asians into the BNP?
For the same reason the Girl Guides don't allow boys to join. Does that mean they are sexist? Does it mean they hate boys? Of course not, it's just that their aim is to cater for the interests of girls, and similarly the BNP isn't racist, but our purpose is to cater for the interests of the indigenous British population. The indigenous population of Britain is now the only group which is facing systematic, legalised and institutionalised discrimination, harassment and oppression. That's precisely why the British people need the BNP - because we are the one and only organisation that has their interests at heart. There are hundreds of organisations exclusively for blacks or Asians, but only one organisation for the indigenous population - the BNP. "
Lastest update of the FAQ (updated 12 Mar 2007) on the BNP.org web site answers your question in typical simple terms:
"vi. Why don't you let blacks and Asians into the BNP?
For the same reason the Girl Guides don't allow boys to join. Does that mean they are sexist? Does it mean they hate boys? Of course not, it's just that their aim is to cater for the interests of girls, and similarly the BNP isn't racist, but our purpose is to cater for the interests of the indigenous British population. The indigenous population of Britain is now the only group which is facing systematic, legalised and institutionalised discrimination, harassment and oppression. That's precisely why the British people need the BNP - because we are the one and only organisation that has their interests at heart. There are hundreds of organisations exclusively for blacks or Asians, but only one organisation for the indigenous population - the BNP. "
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As far as I'm aware, no black/Asian organisation actively discourages members of other races joining.
However, the BNP are a political party who if elected would ensure that I am treated as a second class citizen.
There's a world of difference between that and the Black Police Officer's Association, isn't there?
Can you name me any black/Asian organisation who are actively campaigning for to make their members superior to whites?
The BNP campaign to ensure whites are treated better than blacks, Asians, Jews...and they want straight people given superiority over gays/lesbians.
1930s Germany all over again.
As far as I'm aware, no black/Asian organisation actively discourages members of other races joining.
However, the BNP are a political party who if elected would ensure that I am treated as a second class citizen.
There's a world of difference between that and the Black Police Officer's Association, isn't there?
Can you name me any black/Asian organisation who are actively campaigning for to make their members superior to whites?
The BNP campaign to ensure whites are treated better than blacks, Asians, Jews...and they want straight people given superiority over gays/lesbians.
1930s Germany all over again.
I think you're talking about Louis Farrakhan...and he was banned from the UK!
BNP stands for the British National Party.
If they were really honest, they should be renamed to the WBNP - White British National Party.
I mean...take my position. I've got a A Levels, a good job, a nice house, a long term relationship...never even been close to being on the dole...but because I'm black, I will be considered 'less British' than the chav heroin peddler who burgles and beats up old ladies.
Now...there's something wrong there, isn't there?
BNP stands for the British National Party.
If they were really honest, they should be renamed to the WBNP - White British National Party.
I mean...take my position. I've got a A Levels, a good job, a nice house, a long term relationship...never even been close to being on the dole...but because I'm black, I will be considered 'less British' than the chav heroin peddler who burgles and beats up old ladies.
Now...there's something wrong there, isn't there?
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Everybody should have the right to speak in public and shouldn't be stopped because they are likely to be controversial. They should act within the law.
However, along with that right to air your views in public comes the right of your audience to ridicule you in public.
If you disagree with Messrs. Griffin and Irving, you should have your chance to confront them. If they are not allowed to speak in public then this course is not available to you.
However, along with that right to air your views in public comes the right of your audience to ridicule you in public.
If you disagree with Messrs. Griffin and Irving, you should have your chance to confront them. If they are not allowed to speak in public then this course is not available to you.
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