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has failed miserably.
Isnt it about time that we gave Satan a chance?
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Given they have survived for around/more than two millennia would not seem to me to be a failure. Global Christianity has dropped 1% in the last 108 years, but it is still estimated to be the religion of over 2 billion people worldwide.
Various statistics show that many organised religions, including Christianity, Judaism and even Wicca are showing signs of dropping, as are the numbers of atheists. It would seem that where other religions/non-religions are �failing miserably� that Islam is gaining.
So in essence, the �recruiting and keeping� element you purport doesn�t seem to tally where Islam is concerned.
Various statistics show that many organised religions, including Christianity, Judaism and even Wicca are showing signs of dropping, as are the numbers of atheists. It would seem that where other religions/non-religions are �failing miserably� that Islam is gaining.
So in essence, the �recruiting and keeping� element you purport doesn�t seem to tally where Islam is concerned.
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Interesting statistic Octavious
If Global Christianity has dropped 1% in the last 108 years
And the world population has roughly trebbled since then, that's not good!
Or are you quoting percentages of percentages?
Either way in this country Sunday church going is declining at 2.3% per year! and has been declining at roughly this rate since the 90s.
Yet we have seen a significant growth or non specific spirituality
23% of the population said they did not belong to an organised religion but were "spiritual"
It's hard to escape the conclusion that a large section of the country has rejected organised religion in favour of something else or are looking for that something else.
It's hard to escape the conclusion that organised religion has totally failed to connect with large sections of the UK (and probably European) population
If Global Christianity has dropped 1% in the last 108 years
And the world population has roughly trebbled since then, that's not good!
Or are you quoting percentages of percentages?
Either way in this country Sunday church going is declining at 2.3% per year! and has been declining at roughly this rate since the 90s.
Yet we have seen a significant growth or non specific spirituality
23% of the population said they did not belong to an organised religion but were "spiritual"
It's hard to escape the conclusion that a large section of the country has rejected organised religion in favour of something else or are looking for that something else.
It's hard to escape the conclusion that organised religion has totally failed to connect with large sections of the UK (and probably European) population
So jake, you accuse me of playing with numbers, and then respond by playing with numbers. Gosh, its almost like politics!
If you consider global population growth from year 1 to today, it indicates a population growth of about 2,000%. If you then consider that say, less than half a percent of the population in the years 1 � 30 AD were Christian, and the global population is now 33% Christian, that�s a circa 2000 year growth of about 136,000%.
If it was population of 1.6bn x 34% in 1900, that�s about half a billion Christians.
If it is population of 6.5bn x 33% in 2008, that�s about 2.1bn Christians.
To me, that still indicates growth overall since you have an extra 1,6bn Christians, its just that the population growth rate (PGR) over that time has predominantly occurred in non-Christian countries.
If you consider global population growth from year 1 to today, it indicates a population growth of about 2,000%. If you then consider that say, less than half a percent of the population in the years 1 � 30 AD were Christian, and the global population is now 33% Christian, that�s a circa 2000 year growth of about 136,000%.
If it was population of 1.6bn x 34% in 1900, that�s about half a billion Christians.
If it is population of 6.5bn x 33% in 2008, that�s about 2.1bn Christians.
To me, that still indicates growth overall since you have an extra 1,6bn Christians, its just that the population growth rate (PGR) over that time has predominantly occurred in non-Christian countries.
I wasn't accusing you just pointing out that you were unclear whether that was a percentage of an absolute or of a percentage.
They have significantly different results.
However you are consistantly ignoring my main point which is the fact that Western Europeans have turned away from organised religon en mass (sorry couldn't resist)
They have significantly different results.
However you are consistantly ignoring my main point which is the fact that Western Europeans have turned away from organised religon en mass (sorry couldn't resist)
Well I did say that �many organised religions, including Christianity, Judaism and even Wicca are showing signs of dropping�. The Q doesn�t specifically mention pew ticket sales in United Kingdom churches.
I still don�t see this as the abject failure of organised religion.
In the last few decades atheists and others who are radically anti-religious have been a rapidly declining percentage of world population. They are now 2.5% of world population. Agnostics and those who are indifferent to religion are also a somewhat more slowly declining percentage of the world's population, they are now 11.5%. Many put this down to the fall of communism. About two thirds of the world's atheist population is in China.
In several European countries Atheists and Non-religious are increasing at a decreasing rate. They had relatively big increases between 1970 and 1990, but the growth rate was far less in the ten years between 1990 and 2000. It looks like the social revolution of the late 1960's and early 1970's produced a trend toward non-belief which was working its way through society in the next several decades but by the 1990's the trend was rapidly slowing. So it appears that there may well be a shift in Western Europe to non-belief but the shift is slowing.
This may mean that in the longer run the higher birth rates of the religious will outweigh the advantage in conversion that the atheists and non-religious have had in recent years.
As I said before (on another thread in another place in another time), its just another global cycle. Much like all those anti-Conservatives who appear to have become anti-Labout overnight. What goes around comes around.
I still don�t see this as the abject failure of organised religion.
In the last few decades atheists and others who are radically anti-religious have been a rapidly declining percentage of world population. They are now 2.5% of world population. Agnostics and those who are indifferent to religion are also a somewhat more slowly declining percentage of the world's population, they are now 11.5%. Many put this down to the fall of communism. About two thirds of the world's atheist population is in China.
In several European countries Atheists and Non-religious are increasing at a decreasing rate. They had relatively big increases between 1970 and 1990, but the growth rate was far less in the ten years between 1990 and 2000. It looks like the social revolution of the late 1960's and early 1970's produced a trend toward non-belief which was working its way through society in the next several decades but by the 1990's the trend was rapidly slowing. So it appears that there may well be a shift in Western Europe to non-belief but the shift is slowing.
This may mean that in the longer run the higher birth rates of the religious will outweigh the advantage in conversion that the atheists and non-religious have had in recent years.
As I said before (on another thread in another place in another time), its just another global cycle. Much like all those anti-Conservatives who appear to have become anti-Labout overnight. What goes around comes around.
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