Would Joey Barton Make A Good Mp?
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This Is England
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Watched it again last night. That film gets better everytime I watch it!
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not at all quinlad, not at all. There is nothing to say that I didnt understand the film, that is the total fabrication of your own mind im afraid. Once again you have concreted the fact that if someone doesnt follow your view, then they are wrong. Please get real.
Tee film showed racism and hatred in the 80's, pure and simple. Whether it angled on promoting the stupidness and idiocary of these individuals whilst advocating muliculturalism, or whether it portrayed a directors own view on his own childhood, as this film was based on Shane Meadow's own childhood experiences, or whether it portrays life as it is today, where only a handful of people have the balls to stand up. Either way its up to me as the viewer to decide how I wish to see the message. The way your saw the film is your own but not necessarily everyone elses.
Please try and pull yourself away from thinking that your views should be agreed with. They are views / opinions.
Remember..."im not a racist im a realist, im not a Nazi im a nationlist" Listen to the words and understand if you will. It was in the film for starters...
Good discussing this with you, and I mean that.
Tee film showed racism and hatred in the 80's, pure and simple. Whether it angled on promoting the stupidness and idiocary of these individuals whilst advocating muliculturalism, or whether it portrayed a directors own view on his own childhood, as this film was based on Shane Meadow's own childhood experiences, or whether it portrays life as it is today, where only a handful of people have the balls to stand up. Either way its up to me as the viewer to decide how I wish to see the message. The way your saw the film is your own but not necessarily everyone elses.
Please try and pull yourself away from thinking that your views should be agreed with. They are views / opinions.
Remember..."im not a racist im a realist, im not a Nazi im a nationlist" Listen to the words and understand if you will. It was in the film for starters...
Good discussing this with you, and I mean that.
Shane Meadows himself has bemoaned the fact that the skinhead movement, which had previously harnessed black and white culture (listen to the music - Toots and the Maytals etc), was over-run by nationalists.
The reason Milky takes a beating at the end is nothing to do with racial incompatibility. Does he come across as unsuited to the British way of life? Does his family-oriented speech at the end make him deserving of violence?
It has everything to do with the poisonous influence of the BNP. The breakdown of family. And the fact that under Thatcher's government, many British citizens were angry at being left to rot in unemployment while being expected to fight a political war. The easily suggestible take that anger out on the hard-working immigrant population.
I find it strange that you can't see that in the film. Everyone has their own interpretation but think about it: every single Asian charcater in it is respresented as peaceful and decent, the BNP representative is viewed as wealthy and self-serving, Milky is British-Jamaican but is - deliberately - the most likeable charcater in the whole film.
By the end, Combo is shown to be an extremely damaged individual who commits a horrendous act mainly thanks to the political beliefs he's been fed. Are you still agreeing with those beliefs when he's kicking Milky's face in? I'm interested.
Incidentally, I wouldn't assume for a second that Combo is the mouthpiece of the filmmaker. The quote you give is part of the philosophy that, in the violent ending, ends up looking pathetic and wrong. But not if you see the beating of Milky as a good thing I guess?
I'm enjoying this too .
"Please try and pull yourself away from thinking that your views should be agreed with. They are views / opinions. "
I couldn't agree more. But don't fall into the usual bleating when people challenge your views. That's
The reason Milky takes a beating at the end is nothing to do with racial incompatibility. Does he come across as unsuited to the British way of life? Does his family-oriented speech at the end make him deserving of violence?
It has everything to do with the poisonous influence of the BNP. The breakdown of family. And the fact that under Thatcher's government, many British citizens were angry at being left to rot in unemployment while being expected to fight a political war. The easily suggestible take that anger out on the hard-working immigrant population.
I find it strange that you can't see that in the film. Everyone has their own interpretation but think about it: every single Asian charcater in it is respresented as peaceful and decent, the BNP representative is viewed as wealthy and self-serving, Milky is British-Jamaican but is - deliberately - the most likeable charcater in the whole film.
By the end, Combo is shown to be an extremely damaged individual who commits a horrendous act mainly thanks to the political beliefs he's been fed. Are you still agreeing with those beliefs when he's kicking Milky's face in? I'm interested.
Incidentally, I wouldn't assume for a second that Combo is the mouthpiece of the filmmaker. The quote you give is part of the philosophy that, in the violent ending, ends up looking pathetic and wrong. But not if you see the beating of Milky as a good thing I guess?
I'm enjoying this too .
"Please try and pull yourself away from thinking that your views should be agreed with. They are views / opinions. "
I couldn't agree more. But don't fall into the usual bleating when people challenge your views. That's
and what makes you think that I would see the beating of combo a good thing? Of course I dont. The ending just proves that Combo has been fed a load of BS and led to believe that all non-british folk are an abomination. Him killing Milky proved nothing.
Shouldnt we also question why the director has decided to make the drug dealer black? Does this emphasise on a generalisation? Is he saying that the only people that push drugs are blacks?
The film fires out many different messages. The way I took it is this. Combo tried to recruit a force of BNP/National Front typpe sknheads to rid this country of the minorities. Now, Combo does state that he has no problem with non white people who make a living and intergrate, but this is proved as BS at the end when Combo talks about his family. Combo sees that the amount of his family over here is like mass take over. Anyway, the clever ones decide to opt out of it. Whilst the others agree to be dragged into a world of racial hatred.
Do you think that the message being portrayed at the BNP meeting and the fantastic speech combo makes in his flat about england is wrong, right, neither? what?
Can you not see what he is trying to say? Can you see how this dufftails with society 30 yrs later?
This is my point.
Shouldnt we also question why the director has decided to make the drug dealer black? Does this emphasise on a generalisation? Is he saying that the only people that push drugs are blacks?
The film fires out many different messages. The way I took it is this. Combo tried to recruit a force of BNP/National Front typpe sknheads to rid this country of the minorities. Now, Combo does state that he has no problem with non white people who make a living and intergrate, but this is proved as BS at the end when Combo talks about his family. Combo sees that the amount of his family over here is like mass take over. Anyway, the clever ones decide to opt out of it. Whilst the others agree to be dragged into a world of racial hatred.
Do you think that the message being portrayed at the BNP meeting and the fantastic speech combo makes in his flat about england is wrong, right, neither? what?
Can you not see what he is trying to say? Can you see how this dufftails with society 30 yrs later?
This is my point.
Well, thank god we're agreed that the beliefs he's been fed are a load of BS. You had me worried there.
As I'm sure you know, in my view the BNP/Combo message is wrong.
Great speech by Combo, brilliantly acted. It's seductive isn't it? A government that doesn't care, proud men out of work, single mums struggling to get by. And then pick the obvious, easiest scapegoat - immigrants.
The BNP speech in the back room of a pub is class too. A BNP leader spreading his donwtrodden message to naive followers, who are blind to the fact that their gullible support is paying for his luxury car. Nice touch.
The director seems to agree that they're talking BS, by taking their stance to its logical conclusion: Asian children being abused, an Asian shop being trashed and a black teenager being beaten half to death.
You're right. It dovetails perfectly with the anti-immigrant venom we have now. 25 years on and still people are lapping up the BS.
As I'm sure you know, in my view the BNP/Combo message is wrong.
Great speech by Combo, brilliantly acted. It's seductive isn't it? A government that doesn't care, proud men out of work, single mums struggling to get by. And then pick the obvious, easiest scapegoat - immigrants.
The BNP speech in the back room of a pub is class too. A BNP leader spreading his donwtrodden message to naive followers, who are blind to the fact that their gullible support is paying for his luxury car. Nice touch.
The director seems to agree that they're talking BS, by taking their stance to its logical conclusion: Asian children being abused, an Asian shop being trashed and a black teenager being beaten half to death.
You're right. It dovetails perfectly with the anti-immigrant venom we have now. 25 years on and still people are lapping up the BS.
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