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most people can't be bothered to read all the crap on here the right way up, so what makes you think they will bother readind upside down writing ? though i must admit it is clever, i bet knobby will be trying it out soon, seriously though i think it has been done before so what is the point? have i upset you/ let me know because you know that is the last thing i wanted to do , you are the only person of interest on this site and lots of people have not left because of your ranting (the list is to long) however as long as you and knobby think this is not the case then i will support you (not).